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[Politics] Trump under fire.



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marlowe

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Dec 13, 2015
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I don't know what all the fuss is about. It's not as if he killed or even shot at anyone.

He was merely exercising his constitutional right as a US citizen to carry an AK47 style rifle with scope while hiding in bushes.

It's those very rights which Trump and his supporters are fighting so hard to preserve,
 




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CHAPPERS

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Bodian said:
News has moved on a bit now - but this was in the New York Post and elsewhere (I quoted it on the election thread). Now they are saying things like "Authorities have yet to determine if the shooter got off any shots at the Secret Service agents or at Trump." Which is similar I guess.
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So might just get done for trespass eh. USA! USA!
 




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dsr-burnley

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The Clamp said:
I don’t share your fears.

As last time, it will be four years of very little action, poorly thought out policy, some nasty laws pertaining to women’s choices over their own bodies, perhaps a few MAGA scuffles in DC.

But no, it’ll just be another mean spirited, ineffectual, grubby four years of nonsense.
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The abortion laws are a matter for each state to decide, not the federal government. Roe v Wade was about making abortion a federal decision covering the whole of the US, which was always a dubious interpretation of the constitution; all that the overturning of Roe v Wade has done is return that power to the state legislatures.
 


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How does a guy with documented mental health issues and a criminal past get hold of an AK47 anyway?

Even for America I thought that stuff was a "no go"?
 




Zeberdi

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I don’t hold out any hope at all that Trump will be imprisoned for his crimes - in fact it is highly unlikely. Trump entered the presidency with more vacancies in the federal and Circuit Appeals courts than any other president before him and made it a key policy of his administration to fill those vacancies - Trump talks about the Dems weaponising the justice system but he spent 4 years filling the courts with highly ideological conservative appointees - the whole judicial system under Trump took a marked ideological shift to the right and he’s reaping the benefits.

If Trump were assassinated, the repercussions for democracy and civil law in America would be dire otherwise I think he would have been taken out by some black ops agent by now for the ‘good of the Country’.
 










Withdean South Stand

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dsr-burnley said:
The abortion laws are a matter for each state to decide, not the federal government. Roe v Wade was about making abortion a federal decision covering the whole of the US, which was always a dubious interpretation of the constitution; all that the overturning of Roe v Wade has done is return that power to the state legislatures.
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And once each state has voted in favour of allowing abortion decisions to be made by Doctors and the patients, there can be a federal law covering the whole of the US. Longer term, overturning Roe vs Wade will be an enormous net positive for the country but the amount of pain, suffering and cruelty it has meant in the short term (a period of years) is abhorrent. Every state which has had an abortion ballot measure has voted in favour of it, this November it is on the ballot in other places (I think including Arizona) so it is inching closer to being federal law.

The truth is that one of the main things Trump will be remembered for and will have written about him is the overturning of Roe vs Wade through appointing extremist judges to the bench. There will be a dishonourable mention to dishonourable former Speaker McConnell for effectively stealing a Supreme Court pick to enable it to happen. History will remember this era in the former Republican party very unfavourably.
 
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Peteinblack

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marlowe said:
I don't know what all the fuss is about. It's not as if he killed or even shot at anyone.

He was merely exercising his constitutional right as a US citizen to carry an AK47 style rifle with scope while hiding in bushes.

It's those very rights which Trump and his supporters are fighting so hard to preserve,
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Besides, "guns don't kill people, people kill people." - or so the gun-lobby and NRA always claim :facepalm:
 






Cordwainer

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Isn’t the point of Trump’s security going two holes ahead of him to be able to drop his no doubt monogrammed balls into the holes and heartily congratulate him on yet another course record hole in one, him being the most besterest golfer ever??
Must have been a real eagle eye to spot a blue n yellow haired man in the bushes..
 






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marlowe

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CHAPPERS said:
So might just get done for trespass eh. USA! USA!
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Now been charged with federal gun crimes - possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obstructed serial number. No mention of charges related to attempt to endanger life or anything like that, unless they'll come later...
 
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marlowe

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marlowe said:
Now been charged with federal gun crimes - possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obstructed serial number. No mention of attempt to endanger life or anything like that, unless they'll come later...
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I suppose there's always the possibility that his rifle wasn't even loaded and he wasn't even in possession of ammunition and he was just making a symbolic statement, which might explain the absence of more serious charges
 




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