Baldseagull
Well-known member
Reasoned attempts have been made before, but you won't accept that your theory breaks down when you try to do some of the things it predicts are possible.
The connection is economics that don't work.
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The connection is economics that don't work.
Uh_huh_him
Well-known member
- Sep 28, 2011
- 12,110
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Hats off to Jon Trickett.
Put Party politics aside and voted as a decent human being with a conscience.
Power to your elbow mate, and good luck when Starmer gives you a kicking.
Put Party politics aside and voted as a decent human being with a conscience.
Power to your elbow mate, and good luck when Starmer gives you a kicking.
BenGarfield
Active member
Its not "my" theory but is a well established economic school of thought which has a peer reviewed, body of work stretching back for over thirty years. taught in university economic Idepartments worldwide. I don`t remember "predicting" anything. MMT is an apolitical description of the current monetary operations of a country such as the UK with a fiat currency. Of course there are political ramifications which can be adopted by people of various political hues. I am a socialist so I will use the insights of MMT to make political points about policy proposals such the withdrawal of the heating allowance, which in my view is unjustifed both morally and purely from a fiscal policy perspective.
Right Brain Ronnie
Well-known member
Becky Cooper, did not vote, is there anybody pleased they still voted for her on here?
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
What’s your criteria for “don’t need it”?
cjd
Well-known member
Fair enough, I'm getting your point of view now at lat.
"The vast majority don't need it".
So......
Those people with children suffering mental Health issues....they're not the majority....f*** 'em.
Those families struggling on benefits....they're not the majority....f*** 'em.
Those with physical dissabilties....they're not the majority....f*** 'em.
Those suffering from racial abuse......they're not the majority....f*** 'em.
Those suffering from long term illnesses....they're not the majority.....f*** 'em.
In fact all the minorities....they're not the majority...f*** the lot of 'em eh ?
From my personal point of view, each should be helped in their own unique way.
A draconian, all one size fits all is utterly, indefensible and embarrassing seeing all those who clearly care little, to defend incompetence and sheer vindictiveness.
A fairer system like everything else takes time and consultation. Something that bitch of a chancellor has failed to do on her first attempt at being the housekeeper and hopes of the nation.
Uh_huh_him
Well-known member
- Sep 28, 2011
- 12,110
Anyone who will not be able to pay their fuel bill , without it.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Probably threatened with losing the whip….the neighbouring MP (mine) voted against tit
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
So …say they paid their fuel bill….but for example cut down/stopped on other things like venturing outside and meeting friends for coffee ….you know important things that an older person needs to do for the benefit for their health …thats ok?
cjd
Well-known member
That just about sums up your grasp of a serious situation.
"Ooooohhhh mister energy company I've had the heating on all day, but I can't afford it "
Energy Company:... " Oh don't worry love. We will will forward your bill on to "Uh Uh Him ". Sleep well my lovely.xx
Baldseagull
Well-known member
MMT's description of an economy like the UK, is like me describing me performing a press up as pushing the planet Earth away.
It can look as though that is what is happening, relative to me, but it has no practical purpose to look at it that way, as me doing press ups doesnt move the planet, and if a comet is headed our way, I can't save the Earth by doing press ups, and you can't just keep printing money and expect it to have the same value.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
I think you’d get support for this!
I reckon you and as WZ has said, don’t like the way this has been handled and as a good person along with others think it should be handled differently ….even if it ends up paying some who don’t ‘need it’, which i think is better than not giving it to those who do
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Uh_huh_him
Well-known member
- Sep 28, 2011
- 12,110
In an ideal world no it isn't.
I would also like there to be a well funded CAMHS service for those in need of support for their mental health.
But there isn't.
If you have enough money to cover your bills, that's not a terrible place to be.
Pensioner or not.
Right Brain Ronnie
Well-known member
I am sure, but didn't Starmer keep leading with "country first, politics second" ?
If he really feels that dropping the WFA is putting the country first, he further down the road than Biden was.
I mean he still forgets he is PM on a regular basis
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
I’d like to have seen Starmer give a speech to a packed hall of less well off pensioners today instead of his mates at the TUC…might not have had such an easy time
crookie
Well-known member
Hamfisted balls up imho. Never in the manifesto, much like the crackpot outdoor smoking ban. Half the so-called black hole was public sector pay rises. The money gained from this is a drop in the ocean for the terrible optics for Labour. The IFS warned during the election whoever won would have to significantly up taxes. Both parties stuck their heads in the sand. Really glad Labour won, but if they stick to rigid treasury orthodoxy rather than genuinely reform the tax system then I can't say I'm very optimistic for the rest of this parliament. This country is crumbling around us, to make such a big deal about saving £1.5b that will do nothing of note looks like terrible politics to me.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
So just exist ….righto………still i guess if you are a train driver not to worry
It used to be said that a country would be judged on how well it treats its young and old…..right now badly
cjd
Well-known member
For the people who are in caring position...and think from memory...you have been or are one of them, shame on them for their attitude towards the elderly....you know....those ones who may have brought you into the world, or fought for your freedom in a war ( as my father did ), or those who lived through such difficult times but still, worked and contributed to the 'system' and helped grow this country financially in the world order, that astonishingly, we are still, I think the 6th most economic power in the world.
I can suffer fools gladly all the day long. It's not their fault, just circumstances.
I cannot suffer so called 'intelligent ' people acting like fools. Bloody nauseating.