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[Albion] Hürzeler’s (Brighton) Tactics









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Mancgull

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Johnny RoastBeef said:
Imagine that but with Gruda instead of Baleba and Kadıoğlu instead of Hinshelwood.
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Don’t think we’ll get both! Either would be great additions but what Baleba and Hinshelwood also give us is physicality/ dynamism which will be needed, or at least a balance when we have someone like Barco who is great, but not robust physically.
Anyway, exciting stuff.
 


Johnny RoastBeef

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Mancgull said:
Don’t think we’ll get both! Either would be great additions but what Baleba and Hinshelwood also give us is physicality/ dynamism which will be needed, or at least a balance when we have someone like Barco who is great, but not robust physically.
Anyway, exciting stuff.
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Nor do I, but here's hoping.

Let's not forget that we've also got Diego Gomez coming.

This piece from transfermrkt.com compares him to a cross between Ngolo Kante and Pascal Groß or similar to Fede Valverde.

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Freddo

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I’m probably in the minority but I would rather we didn’t sign Gruda, especially for the sort of sum being talked about.

He plays in the same position as Enciso, Buonanotte (and Sarmiento) and I feel like we need to be giving them as many minutes as possible.
 






Hugo Rune

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Freddo said:
I’m probably in the minority but I would rather we didn’t sign Gruda, especially for the sort of sum being talked about.

He plays in the same position as Enciso, Buonanotte (and Sarmiento) and I feel like we need to be giving them as many minutes as possible.
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I think he is a cross between those two players. His passing certainly looks better than Enciso’s and he appears to be a faster and better dribbler than Buonanotte.

I kind of agree about not having all three. Buonanotte’s loan would surely be confirmed if we grabbed young Brajan.
 


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Pliny the Gull

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Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Everton will be the ACID test. How to combat Dyche's anti-football? If we can crack that one, then the season's looking very bright indeed
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This is a very good point going into the season.
GP/RDZ/BHA philosophy etc is well known, and has caused teams last season to low press and play the long ball on % chance of scoring and not conceding.
Early signs are Fab likes everyone to attack, move, and defend as a unit.
This was evident in the 2nd Tok Verdy game.
The Everton game is not season defining, but is a great benchmark game.
UTA
 




Hugo Rune

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One thing really struck me about the friendly against QPR.

The role of Danny Welbeck or Hürzeler’s loan striker.

He was, at times, very deep. Coming into centre midfield to receive the ball from Steele. Moving centre backs out of position to provide space for Mitoma and Minteh to rotate into the centre forward role. Constantly swapping positions with the CAM and sometimes playing on the wing. He was a No.10 at best, not a No.9 by any stretch of the imagination.

It would be interesting to see the heat map from his performance. I think Pedro could excel in this role too but for Ferguson, there is a question or two about his midfield abilities. Undav? No.
 


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Hugo Rune said:
One thing really struck me about the friendly against QPR.

The role of Danny Welbeck or Hürzeler’s loan striker.

He was, at times, very deep. Coming into centre midfield to receive the ball from Steele. Moving centre backs out of position to provide space for Mitoma and Minteh to rotate into the centre forward role. Constantly swapping positions with the CAM and sometimes playing on the wing. He was a No.10 at best, not a No.9 by any stretch of the imagination.

It would be interesting to see the heat map from his performance. I think Pedro could excel in this role too but for Ferguson, there is a question or two about his midfield abilities. Undav? No.
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With the intensity of the pressure, players need to rotate between resting (covering space) and chasing (pressuring). If you have Welbeck chasing their defenders all the time, he won't have any recovery time and will be on a high pulse any time he gets the ball, which is a bit shit because it makes players perform worse. You want a player to chase for 20 seconds maximum or he'll suffer several minutes.

Through pressure rotations, no player is likely to sprint into pressure more than once every two or three minutes, and this will help everyone. Yesterday it looked good but we saw some over eager chasing from Minteh and I also think it affected his performance because several of his "max quality/difficulty" actions didn't work out at all.
 


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Pliny the Gull said:
Really

This is a very good point going into the season.
GP/RDZ/BHA philosophy etc is well known, and has caused teams last season to low press and play the long ball on % chance of scoring and not conceding.
Early signs are Fab likes everyone to attack, move, and defend as a unit.
This was evident in the 2nd Tok Verdy game.
The Everton game is not season defining, but is a great benchmark game.
UTA
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I don't think I like the idea of any game to be some kind of acid test. I don't think there is one game that make or break a football philosophy.

I don't think we should put too much into one game, and certainly not the first competitive game Hürzeler is leading us.

This summer, beeing an EC-summer, is a difficult summer to adapt to a new head coach. Some players, like Dunk, are starting to learn his methods today or tomorrow. That leaves about 12 days to prepare. No way are the players fluent in Hürzelerism in time for the Everton game.

Everton away will be a tough game and one we hope to get something out of, but a benchmark game? I'd like to give Hürzeler some time before I start to panic.
 






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One of the most obvious things we saw yesterday is the increased desire to punish opponent mistakes.

Both under Potter and RDZ the idea was to win the ball, get in control and score from "our own hard work" so to say.
Hurzeler is more keen on abusing mistakes. Any time the opponent lost the ball in their own half, the first pass came almost immediately and almost always in a forward direction, to create something out of the opponents disorganisation.
As they say repeatedly say in Germany, the majority of goals are scored within 10 seconds of winning the ball.

I like it for this team as the squad looks now. Its easier than what Potter and RDZ wanted, but easier doesn't mean bad.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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Han Solo said:
One of the most obvious things we saw yesterday is the increased desire to punish opponent mistakes.

Both under Potter and RDZ the idea was to win the ball, get in control and score from "our own hard work" so to say.
Hurzeler is more keen on abusing mistakes. Any time the opponent lost the ball in their own half, the first pass came almost immediately and almost always in a forward direction, to create something out of the opponents disorganisation.
As they say repeatedly say in Germany, the majority of goals are scored within 10 seconds of winning the ball.

I like it for this team as the squad looks now. Its easier than what Potter and RDZ wanted, but easier doesn't mean bad.
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Can't wait for the season to get underway now. Everton away and ManU at home will provide a very useful yardstick for our first bit of the season before it gets inevitably disrupted by the deeply annoying autumn international and european trophy matches. For a season that starts in August, doubt we'll have played a dozen games by November. Probably less
 




Hugo Rune

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This is a great analysis video of Hürzeler’ tactics at St Pauli.

Well worth a watch if you are wondering why we sold Gilmour and signed the style of players we ended up purchasing. All our new signings make complete sense to me now.



The club has given Hürzeler some of the best potential ‘false 10’s’ in European football with the likes of Rutter, Gruda and O’Riley appearing to be perfect for the tactics he used in Germany. With Baleba and Wieffer as ‘false pivot’ options and players such as Hinshelwood and Kadıoğlu being able to convert from full back into central midfield, we look set.

Once players are back fit and have been trained and coached enough in Hürzelerball, I’m pretty sure he’ll implement his St Pauli tactics IN FULL.
Then, it’s possible that us seagulls will soar higher than we have ever done in our history.
 
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Johnny RoastBeef

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Hugo Rune said:
This is a great analysis video of Hürzeler’ tactics at St Pauli.

Well worth a watch if you are wondering why we sold Gilmour and signed the style of players we ended up purchasing. All our new signings make complete sense to me now.



The club has given Hürzeler some of the best potential ‘false 10’s’ in European football with the likes of Rutter, Gruda and O’Riley appearing to be perfect for the tactics he used in Germany. With Baleba and Wieffer as ‘false pivot’ options and players such as Hinshelwood and Kadıoğlu being able to convert from full back into central midfield, we look set.

Once players are back fit and have been trained and coached enough in Hürzelerball, I’m pretty sure he’ll implement his St Pauli tactics IN FULL.
Then, it’s possible that us seagulls will soar higher than we have ever done in our history.
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Totally agree.

I get the feeling he's not wanting to change too much too quickly, but over time he'll realign our style to his philosophy, much like De Zerbi did when he first arrived.

I really think Ferdi and Hinshelwood will excell in the wide roles which double up as centre midfielders.
 






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nickjhs said:
Watching the interview with Milner it's clear that Huerzeler has the squad's respect. Early days yet, but I am hopeful for a great season. I also get the impression that he may stick around longer than RDZ.
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He's only 31. And he's only been managing at a reasonably high level for just under 2 years. He has time on his side.

If he has ambitions of managing the likes of Bayern/Dortmund, 3 years at Brighton would be the perfect environment for him to learn. Beneficial to him and Brighton.

It's still only early days, of course. 4 games is a small sample size. But he seems to have the makings of an elite coach.
 


Hugo Rune

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Johnny RoastBeef said:
Totally agree.

I get the feeling he's not wanting to change too much too quickly, but over time he'll realign our style to his philosophy, much like De Zerbi did when he first arrived.

I really think Ferdi and Hinshelwood will excell in the wide roles which double up as centre midfielders.
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Indeed. What I would say is that RDZ seemed to prioritise imposing his style immediately over results. We were 4th when he took over. We then took a couple of points from 5 games or something as he wanted to change everything fast.

Hürzeler seems to be more concerned with results. I think we’ll get to true Hürzelerball eventually but he simply won’t sacrifice points as RDZ did.
 


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