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jcdenton08

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Hugo Rune said:
Ticketmaster just provide the platform and the method of fleecing fans. They are the gun shop.

But the pricing is 100% down to the promoters and the artists. They have chosen to do dynamic pricing. The Gallagher brothers pull the trigger on prices. This tour was only ever about the money. They can’t stand each other.

Hats off to Oasis if they have managed to convince fans the prices are down to Ticketmaster. It means that their adoring hoards will roll with it and they’ll earn a lot of money plus keep their reputation with their die hards intact.
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As has been pointed out previously, Ticketmaster are the same company as LiveNation after a merger, and LiveNation promote the vast majority of “AAA” tours.

So an artist signs with LiveNation, who double dip with fees by being the ones setting the price (contractually within the limits agreed with the artist), and then “agreeing” with themselves on pricing/ticketing strategy and release as the distributer, and then claiming fees on that as well.

It’s cynical as f***.

I’m not excusing Oasis for this by the way, they’ll be getting the biggest slice of the pie when all is said and done. Just pointing out how sleazy the whole business is
 




bluenitsuj

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I am a big fan of Oasis but so glad I didn't waste a lovely Saturday trying to get overpriced tickets. Well done all those that did get tickers, I hope you have a great time.
I did see them at their best many years ago, supported by The Verve, so not bothered this time.

( All the money saved by not going will be going towards my new music system as per my thread from last week )
 


trueblue

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Hugo Rune said:
Ticketmaster just provide the platform and the method of fleecing fans. They are the gun shop.

But the pricing is 100% down to the promoters and the artists. They have chosen to do dynamic pricing. The Gallagher brothers pull the trigger on prices. This tour was only ever about the money. They can’t stand each other.

Hats off to Oasis if they have managed to convince fans the prices are down to Ticketmaster. It means that their adoring hoards will roll with it and they’ll earn a lot of money plus keep their reputation with their die hards intact.
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I read that the other 2 outlets didn’t use dynamic pricing. For events of this size, perhaps it’s difficult not to use Ticketmaster who would seem to have the biggest capacity for shifting tickets.
 


Hugo Rune

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trueblue said:
I read that the other 2 outlets didn’t use dynamic pricing. For events of this size, perhaps it’s difficult not to use Ticketmaster who would seem to have the biggest capacity for shifting tickets.
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I think the issue is made clear in the posts above. The absolute greed is with the Promoters LiveNation. They will always use their associated company, Ticketmaster.

LiveNation will push for the highest ticket prices possible along with dynamic pricing. Essentially, they’d be happy with half a dozen billionaires in the audience if they have paid the right price.

So it’s for the artist to push back on this. A band such as Oasis will have the final say on all of this. They are way too big for any promotors or ticket selling platform to mess with. But If the whole tour is all about making money for the artists, it’s extremely unlikely they would push back on the promoters plans to rinse the fans.
 








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KZNSeagull said:
Question- How much of the money taken on tickets will Oasis get their hands on now, if any?
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I imagine the Oasis Live Nation contract is the model which is similar to old record deals where the artist gets an advance which they then have to pay back via the tour.

All good if the tour makes the required margins, but not so good if they don’t as you still owe the money. This won’t be the case for Oasis but can be for smaller artists. I know of an artist where this happened and their next tour was on far favorable terms both financially and intensity of dates they had to play.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Hugo Rune said:
I think the issue is made clear in the posts above. The absolute greed is with the Promoters LiveNation. They will always use their associated company, Ticketmaster.

LiveNation will push for the highest ticket prices possible along with dynamic pricing. Essentially, they’d be happy with half a dozen billionaires in the audience if they have paid the right price.

So it’s for the artist to push back on this. A band such as Oasis will have the final say on all of this. They are way too big for any promotors or ticket selling platform to mess with. But If the whole tour is all about making money for the artists, it’s extremely unlikely they would push back on the promoters plans to rinse the fans.
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It’s no surprise Live Nation are being sued in the US for antitrust reasons.
 




KZNSeagull

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Herr Tubthumper said:
I imagine the Oasis Live Nation contract is the model which is similar to old record deals where the artist gets an advance which they then have to pay back via the tour.

All good if the tour makes the required margins, but not so good if they don’t as you still owe the money. This won’t be the case for Oasis but can be for smaller artists. I know of an artist where this happened and their next tour was on far favorable terms both financially and intensity of dates they had to play.
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How will a tour not make the required margins? Live Nation already have the money from the ticket sales and can presumably make their required margin no matter what.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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KZNSeagull said:
How will a tour not make the required margins? Live Nation already have the money from the ticket sales and can presumably make their required margin no matter what.
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Suppose you (the artist) are advanced 100k. But the tour doesn’t sell as expected and only makes 50k, you still owe Live Nation 50k.
 






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trueblue said:
I read that the other 2 outlets didn’t use dynamic pricing. For events of this size, perhaps it’s difficult not to use Ticketmaster who would seem to have the biggest capacity for shifting tickets.
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I don't think anyone could get on the other two outlets, I know I certainly couldn't, the site seemed to have reached capacity/ crashed long before the tickets went on sale. I had gigs and tours and see tickets constantly refreshing from 8.45am to 3pm and still couldn't get on to their sites.
 


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Hugo Rune said:
I think the issue is made clear in the posts above. The absolute greed is with the Promoters LiveNation. They will always use their associated company, Ticketmaster.

LiveNation will push for the highest ticket prices possible along with dynamic pricing. Essentially, they’d be happy with half a dozen billionaires in the audience if they have paid the right price.

So it’s for the artist to push back on this. A band such as Oasis will have the final say on all of this. They are way too big for any promotors or ticket selling platform to mess with. But If the whole tour is all about making money for the artists, it’s extremely unlikely they would push back on the promoters plans to rinse the fans.
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I wonder if we should be looking at this another way. I doubt Noel in particular is doing this tour for nostalgic reasons, I suspect that it took a huge offer of guaranteed money from the promoters for him to even consider it. If that was the case then it naturally follows that the promoters will need to maximise ticket revenues. Dynamic pricing may have been the only way to make this tour financially viable.
 


bhafc99

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Half Time Pies said:
Dynamic pricing may have been the only way to make this tour financially viable.
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Financially viable? Financially viable my ass, as Father Jack would say. I’m pretty sure everyone associated with this, not just the Gallaghers, are on course for a very handsome profit. And LiveNation/Ticketmaster will certainly be at the front of the gravy train. True ‘financial viability’ issues are what working and nascent bands (across the UK and beyond) wanting to tour are facing - that’s an industry that’s increasingly had its heart ripped out over the past decade or so.
 


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bhafc99 said:
Financially viable? Financially viable my ass, as Father Jack would say. I’m pretty sure everyone associated with this, not just the Gallaghers, are on course for a very handsome profit. And LiveNation/Ticketmaster will certainly be at the front of the gravy train. True ‘financial viability’ issues are what working and nascent bands (across the UK and beyond) wanting to tour are facing - that’s an industry that’s increasingly had its heart ripped out over the past decade or so.
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Of course everyone is making a massive profit by most peoples standards, my point is that none of us know what figure it took the promoters to offer the Gallaghers (suspect Noel in particular) to come out of retirement. If that figure was huge, and much larger than normal, then the promoters naturally have to maximise ticket sales to make that possible. Ultimately the act will have a figure that they are looking for, as will the promoters, and then I suspect they work the figures back from there to ensure that they can make enough revenue from merchandise and ticket sales to make that possible.
 




Herr Tubthumper

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KZNSeagull said:
So the advance gets given to the band before the tickets go on sale?
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Just spoke with my mate who works with two Live Nation Artists. He said there are a number of ways but he guesses for these Oasis gigs there is a contract with the promoter with a (huge) “guarantee” and probably bonuses for sales targets (usually things like VIP packages). This will have been signed some time ago. The promoter will then pay an agreed advance to the band but this will be held by the band’s booker and only passed onto the band once the show is completed.
 




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