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If asked to access NSC without using a VPN by the owner or a mod on NSC, should you ?

  • Yes, you should turn off your VPN

    Votes: 8 25.0%

  • No, nobody has the right to know anything about you

    Votes: 24 75.0%
  • Total voters
    32


WATFORD zero

WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
27,792
Firstly, I think the owner of the Board and the mods do a magnificent job 98% of the time. And I've always been happy to highlight the 2% on the board or by PM :blush:

I think it's not an easy job and they do it very well. However, it's always been the case that there are accounts set up to troll, wind up and cause trouble on the board. These are often multiple accounts set up, one after another in order to try and disrupt what is ostensibly an honest, if often divergent, very contrary and lively board. So should the owner/mods be able to ask posters to turn off their VPN's to prove they are not bad actors.

Given what we get, for free, from these people in terms of time, effort and technology, I don't think it's unreasonable. Do you ?
 










StonehamPark

StonehamPark

#Brighton-Nil
Oct 30, 2010
10,133
BC, Canada
In the nicest possible way meant, your join date and post count may suggest that you ought to have a thicker skin when it comes to NSC?
You've seen the lot over the past 20+ years.
 




Chicken Run

Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
NSC Patron
Jul 17, 2003
19,834
Valley of Hangleton
WATFORD zero said:
Firstly, I think the owner of the Board and the mods do a magnificent job 98% of the time. And I've always been happy to highlight the 2% on the board or by PM :blush:

I think it's not an easy job and they do it very well. However, it's always been the case that there are accounts set up to troll, wind up and cause trouble on the board. These are often multiple accounts set up, one after another in order to try and disrupt what is ostensibly an honest, if often divergent, very contrary and lively board. So should the owner/mods be able to ask posters to turn off their VPN's to prove they are not bad actors.

Given what we get, for free, from these people in terms of time, effort and technology, I don't think it's unreasonable. Do you ?
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In the nicest possible way you need to stop worrying about stuff like that, it’s not as if this place doubles as GCHQ 😂😂😂

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WATFORD zero

WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
27,792
StonehamPark said:
In the nicest possible way meant, your join date and post count may suggest that you ought to have a thicker skin when it comes to NSC?
You've seen the lot over the past 20+ years.
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Which is why I recognise the same banned users within the week, whilst the mods need actual proof :wink:
 


Bozza

Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
57,327
Back in Sussex
Chicken Run said:
In the nicest possible way you need to stop worrying about stuff like that, it’s not as if this place doubles as GCHQ 😂😂😂
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Correct, NSC is NSC...

www.gov.uk

National Security Council

The National Security Council (NSC) is the main forum for collective discussion of the government’s objectives for national security and about how best to deliver them in the current financial climate.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 






StonehamPark

StonehamPark

#Brighton-Nil
Oct 30, 2010
10,133
BC, Canada
WATFORD zero said:
Which is why I recognise the same banned users within the week, whilst the mods need actual proof :wink:
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I must be less active than I thought, because honestly I've not noticed anything along those lines.
Not saying at all that it doesn't happen, I'm just moreso surprised I've not even sensed a whiff of it (nor much trolling in general).
 






Iggle Piggle

Iggle Piggle

Well-known member
Sep 3, 2010
5,987
That's the whole point of a VPN. Today I've been in the USA, Indonesia and of course London (physically in that case to be fair) and SPs with more resources than NSC haven't worked it out.
 


prawnsarnies

prawnsarnies

Well-known member
Jan 20, 2010
1,111
NSC can be extremely helpful, there is always someone that can help those in need of it, personally I miss Enrests posts one funny guy.
 


Bry Nylon

Bry Nylon

Test your smoke alarm
Helpful Moderator
Jul 21, 2003
20,584
Playing snooker
WATFORD zero said:
Which is why I recognise the same banned users within the week, whilst the mods need actual proof :wink:
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I’m not sure how NSC would function without you.

Perhaps Bozza should consider setting up a mechanism whereby he and the moderators could discuss issues like this, and share views and opinions on how best to proceed, on a daily basis.

I’ll suggest it to him on our WhatsApp group.
 
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Eeyore

Eeyore

Colonel Hee-Haw of Queen's Park
NSC Patron
Apr 5, 2014
25,980
No, let them use VPNs. It's funny when they forget which account they are using and even funnier when they forget to turn it on.
 


Bozza

Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
57,327
Back in Sussex
For a few weeks I have been intending to write a long post about being nice to each other, and general etiquette which will make using this site nicer for all.

For various life reasons I've not done that yet, but one of the points I was going to cover is how many threads are ruined by amateur sleuths throwing around accusations about multi-accounting.

To be clear, it's the throwing around of accusations that ruin threads, not those who may or may not be multi-accounting.

NSC doesn't really have any rules other than a broad "don't be a dick". We've certainly never had a "no multiple accounts rule". I'm aware of many cases where people felt the need to have a second account, either for personal safety or anonymity reasons. Frankly, it's none of my business why, but people have told me in confidence.

That said, where we become suspicious as to the possibility of a previously permanently banned user using another account we'll check it out with the range of technical tools and logging available to us. If it's conclusive then we'll generally re-impose the ban. Sometimes, we'll still give the benefit of the doubt - if someone is demonstrating that they don't intend to re-tread the same path, we'll let it go, although the user will be on a watch list, and we'll not be so lenient about any future transgressions.

If we see that someone is using multiple accounts in a duplicitous manner - replying to themselves to try and bolster their point of view, or expressing a controversial point they seem afraid to state from their main account, we'll also step in.

Either debate in good faith or don't debate at all.

You don't have to reply to someone just because they have a different view to you.

You don't have to go all Sherlock Holmes following someone around the site ruining thread after thread with your accusations.

Please - leave it to us. If you think something untoward is going on, please report it. We will read, review and act as required.
 




chickens

chickens

Have you considered masterly inactivity?
NSC Patron
Oct 12, 2022
2,703
I use a VPN frequently, and I reckon half the time I’m on here it’s on, and half the time it’s off. I don’t run multiple accounts or VMs and if the mods want me to switch off my VPN I’m more than happy to do so. It would seem a bit weird, but I’d assume there was a reason.

I have to say however, that this whole conversation feels a bit weird. If someone is trolling, engaging in hate speech, or being an edgelord for shits and giggles, I trust the mods to deal with it. VPN or no VPN.

If you believe that someone previously banned from here is back on using a VPN, then they’ll either:

a) trip themselves up spouting the same shit they did last time

Or

b) have learnt some manners and how to engage better with people who disagree with them - and they’ll be being monitored periodically anyway.

There’s clearly a backstory here that I’m missing, but frankly I’d rather not know. If somebody’s bothering you, pop them on ignore is my advice. The world instantly become pleasant again. Life’s too short to waste on the disingenuous and insincere.
 




jcdenton08

jcdenton08

Offended Liver Sausage
NSC Patron
Oct 17, 2008
14,624
I simply identify the obvious troll accounts, many have been here decades, and block them. Seems to do the trick
 




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