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Crawley Dingo

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Bold Seagull said:
3m more votes than the opposition. That’s more than Cameron got twice, more than May, more than Thatcher in ‘79, Major ‘92. Amazing how those opposed to Labour are suddenly concerned about vote share. Teresa May had a 42% vote share but only recorded 750k more votes than Corbyn.
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Going from one of Labours worst results to one of their best and the Tories worst if you are smart the main take out should be extreme political instability and political vacuums.

Its this that worries clever people but carry on. :ROFLMAO:
 






Bold Seagull

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Crawley Dingo said:
Going from one of Labours worst results to one of their best and the Tories worst if you are smart the main take out should be extreme political instability and political vacuums.

Its this that worries clever people but carry on. :ROFLMAO:
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Which is why I was replying with a counter statistic to someone else’s post.

If you took your tribal partisan hat off for a second, you might actually see that in this election FPTP delivered one of our more eclectic Parliaments. Perhaps more about getting a government out than getting one in.

It’s not really political instability, our democracy reflected a clear will of its people, maybe not entirely definitive on what it wanted, but absolutely crystal clear on what it didn’t want.
 


jonny.rainbow

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Keir announcing what Labour’s version of austerity will look like.

Fixing the roof whilst the sun is shining becomes Fixing the foundations.
 
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Rdodge30

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This Government have laid down their markers where wages are concerned and I have to say I’ve been shocked.

Nothing that the previous Government did has ever stressed me out as much as I am now, as a business owner in anticipation of the upcoming budget and in particular Angela Raynor’s workers rights bill.

I read an article this week where a Labour supporting CEO of big business said if the Labour Government increase the Minimum wage to £15 then it will be devastating. I couldn’t believe that was on the table…. then I thought about what’s happened in the last few weeks and realised it could be. It really could be.

Add in the proposed increase in minimum wage for under 21’s to match over 21’s and that will be game over for me I’m afraid. I have toiled relentlessly for 12 years- even took a £280k divorce settlement on the chin but I don’t think I will survive the first Labour budget. The lads I’ve got on 20% over minimum wage now will be expecting £18ph if that comes to pass. We just can’t possibly do that.

Who would have thought that after the sheer incompetence of the last Government that it would be the guy I voted in who would potentially destroy me in under 6 months.

I’ve never been so worried.

Maybe it won’t happen but let’s be honest it sounds pretty likely doesn’t it.


Anyway, I’ve enjoyed the political banter on here HWT WZ 👍👍 and I will still follow the Albion on here as always
 




Giraffe

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Good speech in terms of setting out his stall for the budget and why it will be hard.

Will be very interested to see what taxes they increase and how business and the markets react to it.

I saw an article over the weekend (possibly Telegraph) which suggested they were considering a Land tax to replace council tax and stamp duty. One property tax.
 


beorhthelm

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inflation down, interest rates down, GDP up, Labour have a great economic start to build on. we knew that taxes would have to rise, only they wanted to pretend otherwise and now have to invent reasons to do so. so end up talking down the economy constantly rather than message positive ambitions.
 


WATFORD zero

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beorhthelm said:
inflation down, interest rates down, GDP up, Labour have a great start to build on. we knew that taxes would have to rise, only they wanted to pretend otherwise and now have to invent reasons to do so. so end up talking down the economy constantly rather than message positive ambitions.
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:laugh:

Well if you ignore the crises in NHS, Social care and the Care sector, mental health, Education, local government, Police, the legal system, prisons,transport and transport infrastructure, water infrastructure, housing, emergency services, energy etc etc,
 
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Is it PotG?

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portslade seagull

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I'm sure the pensioner's who voted for them are somewhat upset they are now being targeted.
Maybe go after people with multiple homes who boast about their wealth at the expense of others and charge extortionate rents
 






A1X

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Just as in 1974, Labour once again having to fix the economic mess they’ve been left by the Tories

Although I won’t buy into their “going for growth” spiel until they get on with doing the one surefire thing which would boost growth hugely and rejoin the single market
 


nicko31

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:laugh:

Well if you ignore the crises in NHS, Social care and the Care sector, mental health, Education, local government, Police, the legal system, prisons,transport and transport infrastructure, water infrastructure, housing, emergency services, energy etc etc,
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Maybe they should look at easing the self imposed trade sanctions. That free trade deal with Guyana isn't proving very lucrative
 




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WATFORD zero said:
:laugh:

Well if you ignore the crises in NHS, Social care and the Care sector, mental health, Education, local government, Police, the legal system, prisons,transport and transport infrastructure, water infrastructure, housing, emergency services, energy etc etc,
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The economy is not in a mess and I fear Starmer’s rhetoric on this will come back to bite him and us.

However, the country and in many ways our whole society, is in a mess largely because the Tories utterly mismanaged the massive amount of money raised through the highest level of taxation in our history. The Rwanda scheme is just one example of wasted £ billions.

We need a strong, growing economy to deliver the funding for Labour to rebalance our society.

Confidence in the economy is essential and giving it a verbal kicking as the gov are currently doing and then (possibly) raising taxes on business and in ways that could dampen investment and consumer demand/confidence may make good politics, but it’s a bad economic strategy.
 


WATFORD zero

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The economy is not in a mess and I fear Starmer’s rhetoric on this will come back to bite him and us.

However, the country and in many ways our whole society, is in a mess largely because the Tories utterly mismanaged the massive amount of money raised through the highest level of taxation in our history. The Rwanda scheme is just one example of wasted £ billions.

We need a strong, growing economy to deliver the funding for Labour to rebalance our society.

Confidence in the economy is essential and giving it a verbal kicking as the gov are currently doing and then (possibly) raising taxes on business and in ways that could dampen investment and consumer demand/confidence may make good politics, but it’s a bad economic strategy.
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I agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't believe that the Government talking the economy up or down will make much that much difference. Johnson, Truss and Sunak proved that by being incredibly positive as it crashed around their ears.

Business, investment, the markets and the major economic powers will make the big difference depending on what the Government actually do and I'm still reasonable hopeful that they can turn it round, but it will be a long haul and to pretend anything else would be madness.

However it's very frustrating watching them write off £100B of GDP every single year because it might upset someone :shrug:
 
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dsr-burnley

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A1X said:
Just as in 1974, Labour once again having to fix the economic mess they’ve been left by the Tories

Although I won’t buy into their “going for growth” spiel until they get on with doing the one surefire thing which would boost growth hugely and rejoin the single market
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Whatever else the Labour government may have done 1974-1979, it wasn't fixing an economic mess. The IMF bail-out and the winter of discontent weren't down to the Tories.
 


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dsr-burnley

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Bold Seagull said:
3m more votes than the opposition. That’s more than Cameron got twice, more than May, more than Thatcher in ‘79, Major ‘92. Amazing how those opposed to Labour are suddenly concerned about vote share. Teresa May had a 42% vote share but only recorded 750k more votes than Corbyn.
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May recorded only 750k votes more than Corbyn and therefore didn't get a majority government. Starmer, on the other hand, recorded 3m votes less than Corbyn, and got a huge majority. It does tend towards the conclusion that it was Tories' unpopularity (losing almost half their votes) rather than a huge swell of support for Labour.
 




Peteinblack

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portslade seagull said:
I'm sure the pensioner's who voted for them are somewhat upset they are now being targeted.
Maybe go after people with multiple homes who boast about their wealth at the expense of others and charge extortionate rents
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Only 20% of pensioners voted Labour; 61% voted Tory or Reform UK - Pensioners have always been overwhelmingly Tory (and two-third of them voted to Leave the EU).

You only have to look at how many of them buy the Daily Mail!

Meanwhile, how often do we hear politicians talking about 'tough choices' and then imposing cuts on the poorest and most vulnerable? Austerity and belt-tightening 'in the national interest' is never imposed on those at the top!
 
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dsr-burnley

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WATFORD zero said:
I agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't believe that the Government talking the economy up or down will make much that much difference. Johnson, Truss and Sunak proved that by being incredibly positive as it crashed around their ears.

Business, investment, the markets and the major economic powers will make the big difference depending on what the Government actually do and I'm still reasonable hopeful that they can turn it round, but it will be a long haul and to pretend anything else would be madness.

However it's very frustrating watching them write off £100B of GDP every single year because it might upset someone :shrug:
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How is the £100 billion worked out please?
 


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