The riots - viewpoint from genune anarchists

[fork me]

Makes interesting reading, fairly well balanced I thought (although I'm not for one second saying I agree with all of it - I'm posting it as an alternative veiwpoint worth reading and considering):

Anarchists respond to the London riots - Solidarity Federation - UK Indymedia

Anyone who knows anything about the real Anarchist movement will not be surprised to hear they don't support what's going on.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

"With media sources blaming “anarchy” for the unfolding violence in London and across England, the North London Solidarity Federation has released the following statement as a response from an anarchist organisation active in the capital. "

Have these people no sense of irony?

 

[HovaGirl]

So, the Anarchists' movement doesn't like the recent events being referred to as "anarchy"? The word "anarchy" comes from the Greek (anarchia), meaning "without a ruler", that is, "without government". The looters thought they were above the law, above government. That is what anarchy is.

 

[Surport Local Team]

sky news at 6.30 pm had two ex members of gangs, both who have served time, one out in 2009 say people in the whole rioted to commit crime (robbery). they said sentences were far to light and prisons are far too easy with play stations etc. they also mentioned that there were not riots in prison any more as ten years ago there was a law made 12 years ago if u riot in prison u get 10 more years added to your sentence. both gang members in prison were asked to riot but potential rioters in prison find it hard to get supports as prisoners say not to do it as they have 2 years left or 6 months left etc!!!

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Well, let's see if today's debate in Westminster carries any weight. Mornington Crescent Sainsbury's has had it window smashed in today and there is a police presence, just got back from there. Show us what you're made of MP's.

 

[DIRK STEELE]

So, the Anarchists' movement doesn't like the recent events being referred to as "anarchy"? The word "anarchy" comes from the Greek (anarchia), meaning "without a ruler", that is, "without government". The looters thought they were above the law, above government. That is what anarchy is.

This shows how little you know about politics. Anarchy, like Libertarianism, wants minimal government and is anti-totalitarianism believing that individuals working together will produce the best society more than the statist planned economy. It is not against law. Unfortunately the word is now used in a 'popular' manner to suggest chaos in society. But this is wrong.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Unfortunately the word is now used in a 'popular' manner to suggest chaos in society. But this is wrong.

And the difference in a change of meaning to a word is...

When I was a kid gay meant happy, so I don't understand why you throw rhetoric at Hovagirl and yet explain what you believe is the meaning. Why not just explain and leave the rhetoric to imbeciles?

 

[Albion Dan]

Well, let's see if today's debate in Westminster carries any weight. Mornington Crescent Sainsbury's has had it window smashed in today and there is a police presence, just got back from there. Show us what you're made of MP's.

That's not true. I work opposite that sainsburys and its Windows were done Monday night and its been boarded up since.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Brighton and Hove CELEBRATES anarchy - with a bus.

Names on the buses

650 Prince Petr Kropotkin

Connections with Brighton and Hove : Petr Kropotkin was born a Russian prince in 1842 and was trained for the Tsar’s court. But he had read the Origin of Species by Darwin and wanted to be a scientist. He quit, joining a Cossack regiment in Siberia where for five years he served as a geographer and naturalist. Kropotkin joined the Imperial Geographical Society in 1868 and could have become its secretary but instead went to Europe to study anarchy. He was interested in the idea that people could organise society by working together in co-operative fashion. After being jailed in more than one country, he settled in England, mainly in Brighton. There he worked as a science writer and also wrote a book called Mutual Aid. This showed how co-operative help was part of all human and animal societies. It had a big influence both in Britain and abroad. He lived for many years at Chesham Street in Kemp Town and wrote some of his books there. Later he moved to Rottingdean. The Prince became a great hero to local Socialists and trades unionists. When he left Brighton to return to Russia they presented him with an illuminated address thanking him for his help to British workers. Kropotkin as an old man was honoured in Russia as a pioneer revolutionary. Although he supported the Russian Revolution at the start, Kropotkin became disillusioned and told Lenin his actions were unworthy of his ideals. Often caricatured purely as an anarchist, he put forward ideas of interaction, not necessarily involving government, which have many adherents today.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

That's not true. I work opposite that sainsburys and its Windows were done Monday night and its been boarded up since.

Excuse me? I went shopping there Tuesday and Wednesday and the windows were most definitely NOT smashed in! I use the store every day for odds and sods.

 

[HovaGirl]

This shows how little you know about politics. Anarchy, like Libertarianism, wants minimal government and is anti-totalitarianism believing that individuals working together will produce the best society more than the statist planned economy. It is not against law. Unfortunately the word is now used in a 'popular' manner to suggest chaos in society. But this is wrong.

Rather the other way round, where anarchists have hijacked a word to suit their own meaning. An anarchic state is a lawless state, whatever the Anarchists may mean.

 

[DIRK STEELE]

And the difference in a change of meaning to a word is...

When I was a kid gay meant happy, so I don't understand why you throw rhetoric at Hovagirl and yet explain what you believe is the meaning. Why not just explain and leave the rhetoric to imbeciles?

what rhetoric are you referring to?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

This shows how little you know about politics...

Feeble attempts to belittle the person that happens to have a different viewpoint to you. Stick with the facts as you see them huh?

 

[crasher]

Brighton and Hove CELEBRATES anarchy - with a bus.

Names on the buses

650 Prince Petr Kropotkin

Connections with Brighton and Hove : Petr Kropotkin was born a Russian prince in 1842 and was trained for the Tsar’s court. But he had read the Origin of Species by Darwin and wanted to be a scientist. He quit, joining a Cossack regiment in Siberia where for five years he served as a geographer and naturalist. Kropotkin joined the Imperial Geographical Society in 1868 and could have become its secretary but instead went to Europe to study anarchy. He was interested in the idea that people could organise society by working together in co-operative fashion. After being jailed in more than one country, he settled in England, mainly in Brighton. There he worked as a science writer and also wrote a book called Mutual Aid. This showed how co-operative help was part of all human and animal societies. It had a big influence both in Britain and abroad. He lived for many years at Chesham Street in Kemp Town and wrote some of his books there. Later he moved to Rottingdean. The Prince became a great hero to local Socialists and trades unionists. When he left Brighton to return to Russia they presented him with an illuminated address thanking him for his help to British workers. Kropotkin as an old man was honoured in Russia as a pioneer revolutionary. Although he supported the Russian Revolution at the start, Kropotkin became disillusioned and told Lenin his actions were unworthy of his ideals. Often caricatured purely as an anarchist, he put forward ideas of interaction, not necessarily involving government, which have many adherents today.

That is one hell of a beard. Wouldn't be suprised if he's got a plasma TV hidden in there.

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

generally anarchists are ****ing retards. In my experience, mostly the kids of the 'different generation' i.e. these people will do anything to be individual, even dressing the same and creating their own little cliques. Yeah, some individuality. Anyway. Normal people vote for the government, the government isn't cool. Randomness for the sake of being random is cool. And suddenly kids have more of a say, moreso than adults, well, so the law says. To that effect, kids get out of line, and parents can't do anything about it, which promotes the idea of kids being invincible, and this is why they are roaming the streets, protesting having to pay for fees, so that someone else will have to pay, because they are the future. When the future make themselves unemployable, and leach off of society, then complain about having no help, and lash out on the man for getting them down. Now, until the govt pass a law to put teenagers and kids...the rebels of today, so continues the great chain of destruction disorder and chaos, and people like that long haired git swinging on the cenotaph. Mashing over.

 

[sammy g]

sky news at 6.30 pm had two ex members of gangs, both who have served time, one out in 2009 say people in the whole rioted to commit crime (robbery). they said sentences were far to light and prisons are far too easy with play stations etc. they also mentioned that there were not riots in prison any more as ten years ago there was a law made 12 years ago if u riot in prison u get 10 more years added to your sentence. both gang members in prison were asked to riot but potential rioters in prison find it hard to get supports as prisoners say not to do it as they have 2 years left or 6 months left etc!!!

Sky and media outlets of a similar ilk often rent out ex-cons who are happy to say what they want, which is in essence Prisons a soft touch we need to lock them in a dungeon 24hrs a day with a bucket and bread and water. Also, what about the riots at Ford this year or the one at Lewes about five years ago, that was within the ten year sentence change you mention.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Rather the other way round, where anarchists have hijacked a word to suit their own meaning. An anarchic state is a lawless state, whatever the Anarchists may mean.

Kropotkin criticised lawlessness. He didn't support it. Nor, of course, did he always support the lawmakers.

THE GREAT FRENCH REVOLUTION AND ITS LESSON.

On the fertile soil of south-eastern Russia, you will understand the famous words of the French royal intendant who advised starving peasants to eat grass if they were hungry; because there you might see (as it was in 1881) whole villages living on mountain-spinach, and sending their people to fetch some of it from a neighbouring province. There you would see the ruined but arrogant nobility preventing the peasant from making use of the uncultivated land; the arbitrariness of the functionaries; the lawlessness of the ministers; you would find the Bastille at Schlüsselburg, and you would have an insight into 'old France.' Personal rule returned in France with Napoleon, but not the feudal institutions. Neither the laws promulgated under the Bourbons nor even the White Terror could take the land from the peasants, nor reintroduce the feudal servitudes, nor reintegrate the old feudal organisation of the cities. And if now, especially during the last twenty years, the French peasants have again to complain of the accumulation of land in the hands of capitalists, they have enjoyed, at least for more than fifty years, a period of relative prosperity which has made the real might of the French nation.

 

[DIRK STEELE]

Rather the other way round, where anarchists have hijacked a word to suit their own meaning. An anarchic state is a lawless state, whatever the Anarchists may mean.

Here is what the Anarchists subscribe to by law.

'The most fundamental maxim of anarchism is that no individual has the right to coerce another individual, and that everyone has the right to defend his or her self against coercion.'

You are wrong again.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Gay used to mean happy
Anarchy has been used in a wider context in the past few decades, it is quite simple really [MENTION=18704]DIRK STEELE[/MENTION]?

 

[DIRK STEELE]

generally anarchists are ****ing retards.

Calling me a ****ing retard now? Why is that?