Syria vote Labour demands evidence

[Buzzer]

Say what you like about Assad, his British wife is delightful.

 

[martyn20]

Maybe the clue to the validity of that is in the title of the source? Russia is not going to support any action against their puppet state.

I was trying to find a piece without 'Western-bias'

 

[Soulman]

I was trying to find a piece without 'Western-bias'

I'm afraid you picked a real biased view there Martyn. Is Russia not in the West?........

 

[Pavilionaire]

The UN is supposed to stand for United Nations but it does appear to duck the issue time and time again. The inspectors are there but don't have a mandate to address the key issue of which side has done what. Meanwhile hundreds are dead and hundreds of thousands are forced to flee as refugees. It seems the Middle East has already been carved up into spheres of inflence and nothing no matter how catastrophic can change the status quo.

 

[martyn20]

I'm afraid you picked a real biased view there Martyn. Is Russia not in the West?........

Russia is not in the West and certainly not on the Western-Countries side in this dispute.
The fact is the UN team are only there to confirm if an attack happened no who carried out the attack.

 

[martyn20]

Maybe the clue to the validity of that is in the title of the source? Russia is not going to support any action against their puppet state.

Britain Makes Case Against Syria as U.N. Inspects Sites

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/world/middleeast/syria.html

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Prime Minister David Cameron, facing dissent among lawmakers, has signaled that Britain would await the inspectors’ findings, though their U.N. mandate is to establish whether and what chemical weapons were used, not to determine who had used them.

 

[Pavilionaire]

The mandate is archaic in this technological age. We can see for ourselves a chemical attack has taken place just from social media. Two year old kids foaming at the mouth with pupils wide open with pain confirmed as much within hours of the atrocity.

 

[martyn20]

Britain Makes Case Against Syria as U.N. Inspects Sites

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/world/middleeast/syria.html

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Syria: UN inspectors mandated only to determine if chemical weapons were used, not who used them

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/08/s...ical-weapons-were-used-not-who-used-them.html

 

[martyn20]

The mandate is archaic in this technological age. We can see for ourselves a chemical attack has taken place just from social media. Two year old kids foaming at the mouth with pupils wide open with pain confirmed as much within hours of the atrocity.

And the fact is the Russians, Chinese and Ed Miliband know this. Why inspectors are fly back to NY to tell the Sec-Gen this in person is a joke. Politicking.

 

[Buzzer]

Syria: UN inspectors mandated only to determine if chemical weapons were used, not who used them

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/08/s...ical-weapons-were-used-not-who-used-them.html

Jihad Watch is extremely flaky and that's putting it mildly. The owner has some....interesting....views on race, slavery and Arabs.

 

[Dandyman]

So you just sit back and watch the innocent get gassed?

I suggest you grow up and deal with the issue at hand, not spout your misguided rhetoric.

Innocents are getting gassed, and you want to play silly games.

TB

Any invasion or attack on Syria will be resisted, will probably lead to even greater instability, open up the strong possibility of Islamists and other extremists gaining control of new and more powerful weapons, create an even greater refugee problem and lead to large numbers of deaths. On the other hand it will give the west access to a country that is able to produce 400,000 barrels of oil a day.

 

[martyn20]

Jihad Watch is extremely flaky and that's putting it mildly. The owner has some....interesting....views on race, slavery and Arabs.

I think the fact the inspectors are there only to confirm an attack happened has been confirmed now thought?

 

[Dandyman]

The UN is supposed to stand for United Nations but it does appear to duck the issue time and time again. The inspectors are there but don't have a mandate to address the key issue of which side has done what. Meanwhile hundreds are dead and hundreds of thousands are forced to flee as refugees. It seems the Middle East has already been carved up into spheres of inflence and nothing no matter how catastrophic can change the status quo.

The UN Security Council which only represents a fraction of the actual nations of the World tends to decide these things. There are 15 members of the Security Council. This includes five veto-wielding permanent members—China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States. There are also 10 non-permanent members, with five elected each year to serve two-year terms. This basic structure is set out in Chapter V of the UN Charter. The current non-permanent members are Argentina, Australia, Azerbaijan, Guatemala, Luxembourg, Morocco, Pakistan, Rwanda, South Korea, and Togo.

 

[martyn20]

Any invasion or attack on Syria will be resisted, will probably lead to even greater instability, open up the strong possibility of Islamists and other extremists gaining control of new and more powerful weapons, create an even greater refugee problem and lead to large numbers of deaths. On the other hand it will give the west access to a country that is able to produce 400,000 barrels of oil a day.

Here we go again oil, after 8 years fighting in Iraq and countless lives lost who now has the majority of the oil contracts in that country, is it the UK or US, nope it's China! Same thing will happen here as we are already seeing it in Libya, this is not about Western oil it's about children being gassed to death in their homes.

 

[martyn20]

Here we go again oil, after 8 years fighting in Iraq and countless lives lost who now has the majority of the oil contracts in that country, is it the UK or US, nope it's China! Same thing will happen here as we are already seeing it in Libya, this is not about Western oil it's about children being gassed to death in their homes.

Before I am asked

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/w...benefits-of-iraq-oil-boom.html?pagewanted=all

 

[beorhthelm]

UN mission in Syria won't determine which side used chemical weapons - expert

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_...which-side-used-chemical-weapons-expert-9657/

Quote from article-

one could question a Russian source,though i wont. instead i'll point out the article is dated the 20th and begins "Six months after the incident in Khan al-Asal, near the city of Aleppo,...". its about an earlier incident.

 

[martyn20]

one could question a Russian source,though i wont. instead i'll point out the article is dated the 20th and begins "Six months after the incident in Khan al-Asal, near the city of Aleppo,...". its about an earlier incident.

Read the whole article and the 2 others I have posted links for.
They are talking about the mandate the UN inspectors have in the country, that's the point, that mandate does not change, the inspectors had just arrived for the previous investigation when the new one happened and carried on under the same instructions.

 

[Buzzer]

I think the fact the inspectors are there only to confirm an attack happened has been confirmed now thought?

Dunno. I just wouldn't quote something as hateful as that website.

 

[Dandyman]

Here we go again oil, after 8 years fighting in Iraq and countless lives lost who now has the majority of the oil contracts in that country, is it the UK or US, nope it's China! Same thing will happen here as we are already seeing it in Libya, this is not about Western oil it's about children being gassed to death in their homes.

When are we invading Egypt ?

 

[martyn20]

When are we invading Egypt ?

Well I would imagine we will attack them if they use chemical weapons?