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Sony, have they lost the plot
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tinx
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Thats just ridiculous and if true could properly f*** up their planned domination witht he PS3.
surrey jim
Not in Surrey
Wozza
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Shocking, yes, but not really news.
We were talking about it in the first page here: http://www.northstandchat.biz/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64757
I reckon Sony will drop the idea - they're taking a battering from the specialist press as it is.
We were talking about it in the first page here: http://www.northstandchat.biz/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64757
I reckon Sony will drop the idea - they're taking a battering from the specialist press as it is.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
I believe in Joe Hendry
- Oct 4, 2003
- 11,874
I am pretty certain this story is false. The rumour has been going around since at least October last year. It would also wipe out Sony as part of the rental games market and that is apparently worth $240million in the US alone. They won't want to give that up to Microsoft and the X-Box 360.
Wozza
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From trade mag MCV...
Doubts Over Pre-owned PS3 Bombshell
A story claiming that Sony is preparing to stop the potential sale of pre-owned PlayStation 3 games is being met with some skepticism by industry insiders.
According to a UK news source, citing retail contacts, Sony is preparing to make it illegal for consumers to sell used PS3 games. The plan would involve Sony adopting a licensing system whereby gamers would agree that they are purchasing a license to play a game, rather than the game itself.
If true, such a move would be a massive boost for publishers and developers which do not profit from the lucrative and damaging retail trade in used games. In fact, many publishers are furious that they have to spend support money on consumers who have not actually contributed a dime to the company's coffers.
In turn, it would be a catastrophe for retailers, which make a significant proportion of margin from used games. Consumers would likely be less than overjoyed.
Sony, which is refusing to comment on the story, does have a patent on technology which would tie a piece of software to an individual piece of hardware. But technology and desire are not the only parts of the puzzle. Whether the company would be prepared to take on retail, consumer goodwill and, most likely, the U.S courts, is another matter.
One expert in retail law told Next-Gen.Biz, "Sony can theoretically sell a license to play the game, but the user would have to acknowledge acceptance of the license. You've seen this when you install software on a PC. I'm not sure that the license agreement is enforceable if the licensee doesn't agree to it.
"Also, even if the agreement is enforceable, it's hard to preclude subsequent sale of the disc. The consumer could theoretically agree that he doesn't own the right to transfer his license, but why couldn't he sell the medium that held the license (the disc)? Sony can't enforce the agreement against a third party, as it lacks privity with the third party.
"Stated differently, I don't believe Sony can keep someone from selling a disc, even if they create a license agreement. The only way that this can truly be effected is to require registration of the disc with a specific PS3 console. Sony has a patent on such a technology, and could render a disc unplayable once registered. That would accomplish their goal (if they really have such a goal). In summary, I don't believe this is real."
A senior games publishing source told us, "Sony and the rest of us would love to put an end to this damaging trade, but actually making it happen looks like a fight that's beyond even Sony. I can't see it happening, but i hope I'm wrong."
Another senior manager at a third party publisher said, "I know that Sony is very upset about the used games market. But this story seems a bit far-fetched."
A leading analyst said. "These stories crop up from time to time, and I'm not convinced this is on the mark."
Doubts Over Pre-owned PS3 Bombshell
A story claiming that Sony is preparing to stop the potential sale of pre-owned PlayStation 3 games is being met with some skepticism by industry insiders.
According to a UK news source, citing retail contacts, Sony is preparing to make it illegal for consumers to sell used PS3 games. The plan would involve Sony adopting a licensing system whereby gamers would agree that they are purchasing a license to play a game, rather than the game itself.
If true, such a move would be a massive boost for publishers and developers which do not profit from the lucrative and damaging retail trade in used games. In fact, many publishers are furious that they have to spend support money on consumers who have not actually contributed a dime to the company's coffers.
In turn, it would be a catastrophe for retailers, which make a significant proportion of margin from used games. Consumers would likely be less than overjoyed.
Sony, which is refusing to comment on the story, does have a patent on technology which would tie a piece of software to an individual piece of hardware. But technology and desire are not the only parts of the puzzle. Whether the company would be prepared to take on retail, consumer goodwill and, most likely, the U.S courts, is another matter.
One expert in retail law told Next-Gen.Biz, "Sony can theoretically sell a license to play the game, but the user would have to acknowledge acceptance of the license. You've seen this when you install software on a PC. I'm not sure that the license agreement is enforceable if the licensee doesn't agree to it.
"Also, even if the agreement is enforceable, it's hard to preclude subsequent sale of the disc. The consumer could theoretically agree that he doesn't own the right to transfer his license, but why couldn't he sell the medium that held the license (the disc)? Sony can't enforce the agreement against a third party, as it lacks privity with the third party.
"Stated differently, I don't believe Sony can keep someone from selling a disc, even if they create a license agreement. The only way that this can truly be effected is to require registration of the disc with a specific PS3 console. Sony has a patent on such a technology, and could render a disc unplayable once registered. That would accomplish their goal (if they really have such a goal). In summary, I don't believe this is real."
A senior games publishing source told us, "Sony and the rest of us would love to put an end to this damaging trade, but actually making it happen looks like a fight that's beyond even Sony. I can't see it happening, but i hope I'm wrong."
Another senior manager at a third party publisher said, "I know that Sony is very upset about the used games market. But this story seems a bit far-fetched."
A leading analyst said. "These stories crop up from time to time, and I'm not convinced this is on the mark."
Shizuoka Dolphin
NSC M0DERATOR
And at over ¡ò400 who's gonna bother?
Wozza
Shite Supporter
Analysts still reckon they'll sell out this Xmas. 
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
I believe in Joe Hendry
- Oct 4, 2003
- 11,874
Wozza said:Analysts still reckon they'll sell out this Xmas.
Good, am planning on pre-ordering two myself. About time I got in on some of this selling it on ebay to some poor parent goodness.
Robot Chicken
Seriously?
joey_jo_jo_jr_shabadoo said:
That's downright low and unscrupulous.
Might get two myself for the same reason.
¡Cereal Killer!
Whale Oil Beef Hooked
at the bottom of the article it says this
Late 2005 Sony debunked the first round of rumours about locking games to a console by saying "this is false speculation and that PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console."
We posted this news story due to re-speculation of the patent and rumours of Sony licensing games.
We have contacted Sony regarding both rumours / speculation, and it seems (as most thought) that they are both 100% false, we are just waiting for 100%. concrete confirmation from Sony Europe.
Late 2005 Sony debunked the first round of rumours about locking games to a console by saying "this is false speculation and that PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console."
We posted this news story due to re-speculation of the patent and rumours of Sony licensing games.
We have contacted Sony regarding both rumours / speculation, and it seems (as most thought) that they are both 100% false, we are just waiting for 100%. concrete confirmation from Sony Europe.
D'Angelo Saxon
SW19ULLS
I don't think its that bad an idea. Retailers rip you off when they buy 2nd hand games anyway.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
I believe in Joe Hendry
- Oct 4, 2003
- 11,874
D'Angelo Saxon said:
But it would also stop you renting a game to try it out first, and the Game 10 day return policy if you decide the game is a big bag of wank. Also it would rule out taking latest copy of game over to a mates to play at their place on their machine, you'd have to lug your console over there too which could be a bit of a pain. It would also rule out selling old games on ebay which I tend to do rather than bother going to one of the retailers.
Wozza
Shite Supporter
D'Angelo Saxon said:
Well don't sell them to 'em then!
:thud:
Theatre of Trees
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Shizuoka Dolphin said:
Kev's Mum?