Remembrance Sunday

[eastlondonseagull]

During that two minute's silence, I couldn't help but wonder whether we're honouring those innocent people who've been killed in / by our wars as well. Or is it just the servicemen and women we're remembering?

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[bigc]

During that two minute's silence, I couldn't help but wonder whether we're honouring those innocent people who've been killed in / by our wars as well. Or is it just the servicemen and women we're remembering?

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I think it can apply to both, I certainly thought of it in that way.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

I think it can apply to both, I certainly thought of it in that way.

I would really like to think so, but I don't know whether that is the case. The innocent victims of our wars are too easily forgotten, I fear.

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[NMH]

During that two minute's silence, I couldn't help but wonder whether we're honouring those innocent people who've been killed in / by our wars as well. Or is it just the servicemen and women we're remembering?

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Some innocents might include Germans we killed in WWII, who didn't want to be there and didn't believe in Hitler's ideologies. Or is this taking it a bit too far?

Personally, I remember those who fought and lived, as well as those who fought and died. Remembering the dead, is a respect to the living who serve.

 

[bigc]

Some innocents might include Germans we killed in WWII, who didn't want to be there and didn't believe in Hitler's ideologies. Or is this taking it a bit too far?

Well in my view all the poor sod's who died in WW1 were innocent, all killed for a stupid Imperialistic feud.

The guilty parties all survived sadly, with the exception of the Romanov's.

 

[Napper]

I would really like to think so, but I don't know whether that is the case. The innocent victims of our wars are too easily forgotten, I fear.

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war is war, when they sign up they know what are the possibilities.

Wearing Poppy with pride all the same though

 

[NMH]

war is war, when they sign up they know what are the possibilities.

Wearing Poppy with pride all the same though

Er....I think they were discussing the innocents killed - i.e. the children caught up in war, bombed civilians, people killed for collateral balances, kids who step on mines, villagers pillaged and brutalized, prisoners murdered, etc.

Remembrance is about those who did join the forces.

 

[house your seagull]

i wonder if the germans do a similar thing. i feel sorry for them sometimes, it's like they feel bad about mourning - did we ever give them the right to mourn? as if we had that power over a captured people - and as such they must harbour a deep national sadness, hidden under the surface, working hard to keep themselves busy, afraid of association with what their families were made to do all those years ago. when i speak to german friends they keep schtum until maybe after a few drinks and then they tell you their insecurities regarding all the nazi stuff and how they were a brainwashed and scared to speak up or not join the nazi party, they also think a lot of English still hate them which i don't think is true among my generation at all.

ho hum.

 

[Tooting Gull]

Surely it's one of things that even if it is primarily designed to remember service men and women, you can make it for whoever you like. It's no bad thing to reflect and remember for two minutes, whether it's war dead or anything else.

I've been to a service this morning and unusually the sermon was about a German bloke who returned to his town (Mainz?) and could only see fields because the whole place had been flattened with heavy casualties by the RAF/USAF acting on an erroneous tip that Hitler was staying there.

I wonder in today's (in my opinion) slightly more selfish and self-centred society, overall, whether you would ever get a repeat of something like Dunkirk, thousands of civilians selflessly heading into a war zone facing quite likely death with the outside hope of saving some soldiers. I don't think you would.

 

[franks brother]

I am eternally grateful to those who have made huge sacrifices for me and to those today who have the dedication to serve in the armed services.

Lest we forget.

 

[smudge]

It's Rememberance Day; to remember those killed during war, military or civilian.

 

[Lankyseagull]

They shall not grow old as we who are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
WE WILL REMEMBER THEM.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

Er....I think they were discussing the innocents killed - i.e. the children caught up in war, bombed civilians, people killed for collateral balances, kids who step on mines, villagers pillaged and brutalized, prisoners murdered, etc.

They're exactly the people I'm thinking about.

Remembrance is about those who did join the forces.

And I think that's a shame. Perhaps we need another day of remembrance, for all those caught up in war, through no choice of their own, be they German, Iraqi, Afghan, Korean, Brits killed in the Blitz etc etc.

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[seagullsovergrimsby]

Only 3 survivors who saw action in the "Great War" are still alive. Until very recently there were 4 but one chap died last week at the grand old age of 108.

 

[Frutos]

I am eternally grateful to those who have made huge sacrifices for me and to those today who have the dedication to serve in the armed services.

Lest we forget.

Too bloody right.



On the subject of military heroes, there was a guy last week on Mastermind whose specialist subject was the Victoria Cross. They mentioned one recipient of the medal who was flying in a British bomber which came under attack from a German Messerschmit.

The attack set the wing of the British plane on fire, so the guy in question got onto the wing with a fire extinguisher and put the fire out at 22,000 feet, in the dark, with the German plane still attacking. That has to have taken some SERIOUS bollocks.

 

[The Spanish]

They're exactly the people I'm thinking about.



And I think that's a shame. Perhaps we need another day of remembrance, for all those caught up in war, through no choice of their own, be they German, Iraqi, Afghan, Korean, Brits killed in the Blitz etc etc.

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are you in the gang that thought perhaps one of the most heartbreakingly stark, beautiful and sombre memorials ever built, the cenotaph, was perhaps not enough, and we needed the new womens one a few feet away that says more about our immature and cossetted society than it does about remembering sacrifice? I suspect so.

you have every day to remember innocent victims if you are a human being. This is a national event initially instigated to remember the devastation of a generation of British and commonwealth youth and the national trauma that followed, something we now find very difficult to relate to. It now also represents that tradition of service and those who have followed in their footsteps. Hence suggestions like yours totally miss the point of this day. I am not sure you really understand all this properly mate.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

are you in the gang that thought perhaps one of the most heartbreakingly stark, beautiful and sombre memorials ever built, the cenotaph, was perhaps not enough, and we needed the new womens one a few feet away that says more about our immature and cossetted society than it does about remembering sacrifice? I suspect so.

you have every day to remember innocent victims if you are a human being. This is a national event initially instigated to remember the devastation of a generation of British and commonwealth youth and the national trauma that followed, something we now find very difficult to relate to. It now also represents that tradition of service and those who have followed in their footsteps. Hence suggestions like yours totally miss the point of this day. I am not sure you really understand all this properly mate.

Clearly, I don't really understand it, you're right. It confuses the hell out of me. We honour, and quite rightly so, the military personnel who've laid down their lives on our behalf. And yet we forget the millions who die innocently in these wars.

And no, I wasn't one of those 'immature and cossetted' members of society who requested a women's memorial next to the Cenotaph. I was unaware that there was one until you mentioned it. But then that just proves that I don't really understand what's going on.

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[m20gull]

Clearly, I don't really understand it, you're right. It confuses the hell out of me. We honour, and quite rightly so, the military personnel who've laid down their lives on our behalf. And yet we forget the millions who die innocently in these wars.

I don't think we do forget. I live less than a mile from the home of the last civilian casualty (British) of WW2 and I think of her often.

Remembrance Day is a military day and an important one to remember those people who risked and gave so much for our futures. Not to glory in it but to say "thank you; we do remember you and what you did."

 

[steward 433]

Too bloody right.



On the subject of military heroes, there was a guy last week on Mastermind whose specialist subject was the Victoria Cross. They mentioned one recipient of the medal who was flying in a British bomber which came under attack from a German Messerschmit.

The attack set the wing of the British plane on fire, so the guy in question got onto the wing with a fire extinguisher and put the fire out at 22,000 feet, in the dark, with the German plane still attacking. That has to have taken some SERIOUS bollocks.

Proper hero

 

[Lord Bracknell]

war is war, when they sign up they know what are the possibilities.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

Did the people who signed up for WW1, WW2 or Korea have any choice in the matter?