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Railway to reopen?



Man of Harveys

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Jul 9, 2003
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Brighton, UK
This all looks like a very good idea - although hey, there's yet another Sussex village idiot in Hamsey opposed to it (where do they find them?). Very unfortunately, that otherwise gurgling fannyfart Norman Baker is right about this:

Green signal to reopen rail line
by Argus news team

The last time trains ran between Uckfield and Lewes, England were the reigning World Cup winners.

Wishful campaigners are hoping footballing success this summer could coincide with a return to action for the railway as well.

It is 40 years since England's triumph and almost as long since the last train ran on the line.

Once part of a busy route, linking London with large areas of Surrey, Sussex and the coast, trains ceased to run on the seven-mile stretch between the two towns in 1969.

Tracks and stations have since fallen into disrepair and much of the line has been demolished.

There is a popular misconception the Uckfield to Lewes link fell victim to transport minister Richard Beeching's cuts in the Sixties. In truth the line survived that threat, satisfying inspectors it was well enough used, while others in Sussex and around the country were axed.

The decision to cut the railway was instead made by East Sussex County Council, anxious to clear the way for its new Phoenix Causeway road into Lewes.

The move caused uproar among rail users, forced to drive or catch buses to get from Uckfield and Crowborough to Lewes, and onwards to Brighton, Newhaven and Eastbourne.

To reach the coast by train, Uckfield residents have to travel north as far as Croydon before catching a service which will take them south.

Most would-be passengers choose to go by road instead.

Ever since the closure, campaigners have called for a reopening but they have seen many false dawns as proposals have emerged and quickly fallen apart.

Now, for the first time, popular and political support has gathered behind an impressive new scheme, backed by major private investors, and campaigners are more confident their wish is finally going to come true.

Brian Hart, chairman of the Wealden Line Campaign group, said: "This really feels like it is a project that's going to work. It's not just pie in the sky speculation by campaigners, it's a genuine scheme with serious backing and it's been made at a time when the railway is needed most."

The momentum behind the project is due primarily to Intermodality, a transport solutions firm which worked on the Channel Tunnel project and a successful seven-mile rail reconstruction at Bristol's sea port.

The company, based at East Hoathly, near Uckfield, has carried out independent studies of the route and attracted financial backing from Bride Parks Merlin and Norwest Holst Vinci. It has also drawn interest from Transmanche, operators of the port at Newhaven, which could also be given a better connection to London if the line is rebuilt.

Intermodality's lead has been followed by councils along the route which have been quick to give the project their support, politically and financially.

In March a board consisting of Lewes and Wealden MPs Norman Baker and Charles Hendry and representatives of the county council and district councils voted in favour of supporting the project in its next step.

This summer, work will begin on a detailed study of the existing trackbed, preserved by the county council, providing the exact cost of the project. Building work could start by 2010, if the planning process runs smoothly, and trains could start running by 2012.

Consultant Nick Gallup, of Intermodality, said: "Of all the rail projects being proposed around the country this one has the most going for it."

His firm is forming a new company to concentrate on rail reinstatement projects.

Mr Gallup said: "There is a real focus developing on improving infrastructure because towns are going to be developing so much. Rail is going to be key for that."

Towns on the existing line between Uckfield and London have grown considerably since 1969 and several have been earmarked as areas for development in recent housing plans.

Up to 500 new homes are due to be built in Uckfield alone in the next ten years, yet many residents have to travel to London, Lewes or the coast for employment and entertainment. Use of the railway between Uckfield and London has increased by more than 100 per cent since new trains and timetables were introduced by train operators Southern at the start of 2005.

Campaigners say this proves how badly-needed a rebuilt rail link to Lewes is and how important it is to the towns on the line. Uckfield deputy mayor Duncan Bennett said: "It's the most vital project for the town at the moment. There is a huge groundswell of public opinion in favour of it."

The proposed line would follow the original route south from Uckfield and through Isfield and Barcombe. Its only major complication would be on the approach to Lewes where roads and housing have been built on the old trackbed.

Intermodality's suggested solution is to create a new track through the village of Hamsey, joining the Lewes to Haywards Heath railway near Cooksbridge.

This idea has not proved popular with residents in Hamsey, the only parish on the railway's route which has not supported the reconstruction.

Michael Ball, chairman of Hamsey Parish Council, said: "The railway would not be good for the area. It would spoil the rural atmosphere."

Southern has said it cannot financially support the reconstruction of the Uckfield to Lewes line, estimated to cost £50 million, but would be keen to run trains.

While the obvious beneficiaries of the project would be the north Sussex towns on the railway's route, its implications could be wider reaching.

MP Mr Baker said: "It will clearly bring economic, social and environmental benefit to a large area of Sussex by giving people mobility and taking cars off the roads.

"It will also provide an important diversionary route for the London to Brighton main line, which is used to its absolute capacity.

"There is no way to relieve pressure on that line. There are no adequate alternatives. This would provide one."

His view has been supported by Brighton and Hove City Council, while Shelley Atlas, chairman of Brighton Line Commuters, said: "It is very frustrating for passengers travelling to London when you are forced to catch replacement bus services or go on long diversions. An alternative line can only improve the situation."

Coun Bennett said: "It is time to put right the damage done by East Sussex County Council 40 years ago and reconnect Uckfield to the rest of the county the way it should be."
 




Jim in the West

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Sep 13, 2003
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"This summer, work will begin on a detailed study of the existing trackbed, preserved by the county council, providing the exact cost of the project. Building work could start by 2010, if the planning process runs smoothly, and trains could start running by 2012."

Just in time for Uckfield residents to let the train take the strain for the opening fixture at Falmer
 


Schrödinger's Toad

Nie dla Idiotów
Jan 21, 2004
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Why is there always one bloody Nimby prepared to stick his oar in, and more importantly, why are their views always given disproportionate attention? I dare say that'll happen in this case.
 




Stevie Boy

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Nov 2, 2004
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Horam
Woodchip said:
Isn't there a stream line already at Isfield?!?! I think the Lavender Line may get a little upset at that.
I think the lavendar line may be part of the old line, i grew up in uckfield, and it is a stupid idea, what next, re open the line between heathfield and eastbourne
 




Woodchip

It's all about the bikes
Aug 28, 2004
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Shaky Town, NZ
Stevie_boy said:
I think the lavendar line may be part of the old line, i grew up in uckfield, and it is a stupid idea, what next, re open the line between heathfield and eastbourne
It's laid on the old track bed. The rail crossing in Isfield is still there as well (well it was last time I was up there about 10 years ago). Don't think it's operational though.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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The re-opening of the railway will never happen. Every single NIMBY in 'The Old Railway Cottage' and converted station will talk it to death.

Is it too late to have Beeching face a posthumous firing squad? :censored:
 


Woodchip

It's all about the bikes
Aug 28, 2004
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Shaky Town, NZ
Tom Hark said:
The re-opening of the railway will never happen. Every single NIMBY in 'The Old Railway Cottage' and converted station will talk it to death.

Is it too late to have Beeching face a posthumous firing squad? :censored:
There is a popular misconception the Uckfield to Lewes link fell victim to transport minister Richard Beeching's cuts in the Sixties. In truth the line survived that threat, satisfying inspectors it was well enough used, while others in Sussex and around the country were axed.

The decision to cut the railway was instead made by East Sussex County Council, anxious to clear the way for its new Phoenix Causeway road into Lewes. :rolleyes:
 




Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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Woodchip said:
There is a popular misconception the Uckfield to Lewes link fell victim to transport minister Richard Beeching's cuts in the Sixties. In truth the line survived that threat, satisfying inspectors it was well enough used, while others in Sussex and around the country were axed.

The decision to cut the railway was instead made by East Sussex County Council, anxious to clear the way for its new Phoenix Causeway road into Lewes. :rolleyes:

Well I stand corrcted then. You're clearly not as gormless as you look ;)

Beeching should still be put to death posthumously mind :censored:
 


Woodchip

It's all about the bikes
Aug 28, 2004
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Shaky Town, NZ
Tom Hark said:
Well I stand corrcted then. You're clearly not as gormless as you look ;)

Beeching should still be put to death posthumously mind :censored:
I think I'll take that as a compliment, as I've been told I look very intelligent, so therefore must be a genius. :jester:
 
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British Bulldog

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Feb 6, 2006
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Would be a good idea to re-open the line but I bet the final cost would be at least double the estimated £50m.
 




dougdeep

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May 9, 2004
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It would take a lot of pressure off the London/ Brighton line, and people from Uckfield wouldn't have to change at Croydon for the Sussex coast.
 


West Hoathly Seagull

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Aug 26, 2003
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This was the most stupid closure of the lot. Originally I understand the line was to close south of Crowborough, but housing development saved it as far as Uckfield. A six mile gap was left. Nearly every country in Europe apart from ourselves of course, full of NIMBYs, would either not have closed it or would re-open it without question. The obvious answer would be to continue the diesels which currently run to Uckfield on to Lewes and then on to Seaford, perhaps using two two-car trains, splitting at Lewes with the other half going to Brighton. Up here Beeching the railways in East Grinstead. Beeching closed the line to Three Bridges just as Crawley and Gatwick were getting going. It is now estimated that 99% of people travelling between East Grinstead and Crawley travel by car. Would you exchange your comfortable, air-conditioned car for a clapped out Metrobus double decker? I know I wouldn't. On the other hand, a fast, convenient train service, without the hassle of having to find a car parking space. Why is it the Europeans always think far more sensibly than us? A dirty, muddy field, with a train station right next to it. An obvious place for a football stadium, wouldn't you think?
 


dougdeep

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At least you have the Bluebell in West Hoathly, and one day it will reach EG.
 




West Hoathly Seagull

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Aug 26, 2003
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dougdeep said:
At least you have the Bluebell in West Hoathly, and one day it will reach EG.

For some reason there is no station here; the nearest are at Horsted Keynes or Kingscote, and I would rather the service train ran through West Hoathly; it would save me a rather annoying journey to East Grinstead to catch the London train and I could get to Haywards Heath on match days without having to scrounge a lift or drive. Two pints of Harveys in the Tap afterwards instead of one then :drink: :drink:
 


dougdeep

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It goes pretty slowly past the brickworks, just leap aboard.
 


Statto

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Nov 11, 2005
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I thought this thread was initially about the famous boozer in Burgess hill. how wrong i was.:D :dunce: :down:
 
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