Absolutely this - but it's up to us to work it out and we haven't and thats one of the reasons we're not ready for promotion yet - but it will come I'm sure
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Poyet got it Wrong.
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Absolutely this - but it's up to us to work it out and we haven't and thats one of the reasons we're not ready for promotion yet - but it will come I'm sure
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Because when we lose, the fans want to blame someone instead of realising it was just one of those games.
Well because the two players out were the key to the formation. We were missing creativity down the right and someone who could work their defenders without getting offside. The opposition had no defenders by their own admission. You can still play nice football but take horses for courses.
West Hoathly Seagull
Honorary Ruffian
Of course, yesterday was just one of those frustrating games where you get nothing after the opposition have taken their one chance. Having said that though, I thought one problem was that Hammond didn't seem to have a clear role (the consensus seemed to be that he had a stinker which is a viewpoint I share). When he was here before, he was an out and out attacking midfielder, while at Southampton Adkins used him in the Bridcutt role. In the season we stayed in the Championship under McGhee (2004-2005), Hammond used to overlap with the forwards, and with OGH often being the only recognised centre forward, he was especially effective, such as when he scored two goals to gain a draw against West Ham. With neither Barnes nor Dobbie playing as an out and out centre forward yesterday (why Barnes wasn't I can't think, since he was so good at Millwall), the game could have done with Hammond going further forward. Instead he seemed to sit deep, which we already had Bridcutt and Dicker doing.
Twinkle Toes
Growing old disgracefully
I think it was just one of those games that happen from time to time - when a number of our players were below par & they come up against a side that defended like their lives depended on it & got lucky with a wonder strike. I reckon if CMS & Bruno had been fit, we'd have got something from the match (& I won't even mention the extra nous that Vicente could've provided). Then again, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas. Funny old game, football.
maltaseagull
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What, they only run the tills and catering but not the floodlights
Get real
There was obviously something wrong. Generators should suely power the floodlights too ?
Arkwright
Arkwright
Of course we had targets up front, Barnes had to go near post and Dobbie was more in the 6 yard box but well marshalled by Davies.
Folk can say we missed CMS but he always makes the near post run.
Maybe we missed Hammond pushing on from midfield.
Pavilionaire
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I think missing Vicente, Crofts, Bruno and CMS was too much for us to sustain. Thankfully, it won't be too many matches we'll play this season missing that sort of quality.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
What, they only run the tills and catering but not the floodlights
Get real
Get real...as u have put a ? after yur statement you arent certain
Publius Ovidius
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Clarke's philosophy is basically firstly, dont lose, hense the run Huddersfield went on, secondly, pack the defence with big strong defenders, not Greer types who are more happier playing it away, ie bang it away and regroup. They coped so well with our forwards because we basically didnt have any on Saturday....Dobbie is NOT a Mac Smith and that was shown in bucketloads. Barnes has morphed into a number 9 that plays the float about in midfield and occasionally get forward type role.
The only way would have beaten Brum on saturday IMHO was to play both wingers and sacrifice one of teh holding midfielders and push barnes up front with dobbie playing off him. their defenders must have thought it was christmas when they saw our formation
Correct. Some people can't just handle "we played alright, created plenty of chances, final ball wasn't good enough, we lost, move on".
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I'd agree with that. Good summing up.
Exactly this.
If Poyet made mistakes, I think they were fairly minor ones. He should have brought on KLL much earlier, and to be honest I think I'd have taken Hammond off after an hour because he simply wasn't proving creative enough to break down a stubborn Brum defence. It seemed to me we were only attacking down the flanks where we were simply not getting any joy. I think we needed to freshen things up in central midfield seeing as Birmingham were content to sit on their one goal lead.
Ultimately it was just one of those games. Our wingers kept crossing to the keeper when they did get clear, and our strikers weren't linking with our midfield, and when they did they were being caught off-side. And while their goal was a fine strike, we gave him too much time to set himself. As I say, one of those games.
And it was a funny day for that sort of thing. Peterborough and Bristol Rovers both won for the first time, Spurs won against Man Utd. Some things never change though - Palace are still wetting themselves over Glen Murray because he scored a penalty.
12 corners to 0. Butland was involved a LOT but did have an easy day because we kept just chipping it into his arms from the byline. We created plenty, but the final ball was AWFUL. That's not Gus's fault, that's the players. We were set up to make chances, and made plenty. Gus did his job setting it out. The players didn't.
The problem is that we only seemed to attack down the flanks, we didn't mix it up. And when our wingers are having one of those days where the crosses aren't hitting our players, we need to be able to look to attack down the middle sometimes. It was all a bit too predictable, IMO.
As for our wingers and their crossing, it was like Craig Noone had never left the club.
The Large One
Who's Next?
I think Birmingham conceded the wings, and defended the box centrally.
Dangerous policy, but when you've got the talent and set-up to pull the opposing team all over the park as we have, it's easier for them if they can shepherd us into to a place where they can defend en masse, and those two rows of buses were pretty solid.
Sadly, we fell for it.
Can we expect a thread from OP about how Gus got it right when we win?
We lost a game where I feel we deserved a draw.
We have got 2 games where we can look to take 3 points on both occasions. Ipswich have low confidence and I don't think this derby side are as good as last year.
We lost a game where I feel we deserved a draw.
We have got 2 games where we can look to take 3 points on both occasions. Ipswich have low confidence and I don't think this derby side are as good as last year.
Very similar to West Ham last season.
I'm not sure where this fits in to the argument, but we had only eight shots and only three were on target (2 shots from caldy, one on target, impressive when he'd not been given the ball that much, but I digress). 8(3) is the lowest of both this season. Our average is 12.6 (6.1). Last season we averaged 8.3(3.9). I'm not sure we did create enough, certainly not as much as 12 corners, and all those runs to the byline you mention (and I agree with you about their quality), deserved.