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Look away if you don't like flying - Qantas A380



Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
Blimey, how lucky was that flight not to crash??

Qantas A380 pilots were 'overwhelmed' by failure alerts
23 November 2010
The engine explosion on a Qantas A380 on November 4 came close to bringing down the aircraft after pilots were overwhelmed by computer alerts that took 50 minutes to clear.

The world’s biggest aircraft, the A380 is designed to be flown by computer but had to be flown manually for an hour and 40 minutes before landing safely at Singapore after the eight LCD displays in the cockpit filled with warnings. Pilots reported 54 separate failure alerts.

The incident led Qantas to ground its fleet of the aircraft and to checks on all A380s with Rolls Royce engines.

A leading member of the International Pilots Association (IPA) revealed how close the “superjumbo” came to disaster following talks with the crew.

One of the four engines on the Qantas flight from Singapore to Sydney exploded six minutes after take-off. Flames erupted from the engine and pieces of shrapnel penetrated the casing and wing, severing electrical cabling.

Fragments punctured two fuel tanks, destabilising the aircraft as leaking fuel caused a growing weight imbalance between left and right. At the same time a power problem prevented the pilots from pumping fuel from the rear tanks, making the aircraft tail heavy.

By chance, instead of a crew of three in the cockpit there were five pilots - an additional captain making an annual check on the skills of the pilot and a third captain to evaluate this inspection.

This left four pilots to clear the computer alerts while the captain flew the aircraft. However, it still took 50 minutes of “working flat out” to do so.

The problems did not end there. The landing gear doors would not operate and on touchdown the aircraft brakes reached temperatures high enough to ignite the leaking fuel.

The 459 passengers and crew landed safely. But IPA vice-president Richard Woodward, himself an A380 pilot with Qantas, said: “They were very lucky.”

Woodward said the outcome underscored the safety of the A380. “It is absolutely a testimony to the aircraft and its structures,” he said.
 






"Qantas Airlines, never had a major accident, no......"

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Yes they were lucky and it could all have gone horribly wrong. Qantas have had loads of incidents over the last year or so although this one had nothing to do with them as such with Rolls Royce taking the flack. This is going to be very very expensive for RR who are in the brown stuff to put it mildly.
 




Oh and it doesn't mention that on landing the crew could not shut down the number 1 engine so the fire department had to hose the engine with foam for the best part of 2 hours until it finally stopped. Control systems between the flight deck leading to the engine through the wing had been damaged and they couldn't even get the fuel cocks to do what they should - scary stuff but still a lovely aeroplane.
 








VeronaSeagull

New member
May 9, 2008
426
Haywards Heath
Ignoring the oversight that A380s as with all modern jets only have 2 pilots on deck with 2 reserves for long flights rather than the 3 on the flight deck in the article, the aircraft wasn't that close to disaster. It did switch to alternate law (i.e. flying more manually, although not totally manual) but it is designed to do so.
 




Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
So, do you feel safer with Quantas knowing they have never had a fataility, or less safe as the odds must be reducing on it happening ?

Seeing as they have actually had fatalities (although a very long time ago), I wouldn't feel any more or less safe than any other airline

As far as I know Ryanair has never had a fatality although it has had a hull loss accident, and there's lots of other airlines founded "recently" (post 70s) that are similar.
 








Tony Towner's Fridge

Well-known member
Aug 22, 2003
5,519
GLASGOW,SCOTLAND,UK
Interesting that they were flooded with alarms. in the manufacturing process industry we use EEMUA 191 to identify, rationalise and prioritise alarms. This is done so as to minimise and prioritise alarms thereby reducing flood alarm conditions which can obscure more serious alarms and render the operators blind to serious or escalating problems. This will surely result in a wholesale review of air crew information management.

TNBA

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