King Kenny seems to have misjudged the situation again

[Easy 10]

I think you're all being MASSIVELY unfair.

You are completely ignoring the fact that Liverpool have struck the woodwork an astonishing 81 times this season in the Premier League. Had even HALF of those attempts actually resulted in a goal, then taking into account everyone elses results, Liverpool would have wrapped up the title nearly a month ago on April 7th when they drew at Anfield with Aston Villa. This is a mathematical fact, so don't even bother checking, or anything.

I find it hilarious that Fergie and Mancini have this "title fight" going on, when if they'd actually bothered checking, or had one of their so-called "minions" look into it, then they'd know that Liverpool are already the true champions, and have been for weeks.

 

[Gullflyinghigh]

They might struggle with that after spending £35m on Peter Crouch mark II

I take exception to this, Crouch actually has a proven goalscoring record.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I think you're all being MASSIVELY unfair.

You are completely ignoring the fact that Liverpool have struck the woodwork an astonishing 81 times this season in the Premier League. Had even HALF of those attempts actually resulted in a goal, then taking into account everyone elses results, Liverpool would have wrapped up the title nearly a month ago on April 7th when they drew at Anfield with Aston Villa. This is a mathematical fact, so don't even bother checking, or anything.

I find it hilarious that Fergie and Mancini have this "title fight" going on, when if they'd actually bothered checking, or had one of their so-called "minions" look into it, then they'd know that Liverpool are already the true champions, and have been for weeks.

Their first choice strikeforce (total cost: £57 million)- including the much lauded Suarez- has scored fewer goals than Craig Mackail-Smith and Ashley Barnes this season. Good skills!

 

[Weststander]

I think you're all being MASSIVELY unfair.

You are completely ignoring the fact that Liverpool have struck the woodwork an astonishing 81 times this season in the Premier League. Had even HALF of those attempts actually resulted in a goal, then taking into account everyone elses results, Liverpool would have wrapped up the title nearly a month ago on April 7th when they drew at Anfield with Aston Villa. This is a mathematical fact, so don't even bother checking, or anything.

I find it hilarious that Fergie and Mancini have this "title fight" going on, when if they'd actually bothered checking, or had one of their so-called "minions" look into it, then they'd know that Liverpool are already the true champions, and have been for weeks.

Just need a finisher. A bit like the Albion!!

They are an early days work in progress, having already cleared out about dozen dead wood players, and others out on loan.

They were never going to compete with the talented squads built up over many years by Man C, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea.
For example, on Saturday Chelsea will have access to £355m of talent, compared to exactly half that sum of a squad cost for LFC!!!

The cups runs have been a sweetener, after awful finishing in many PL games.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Just need a finisher. A bit like the Albion!!

They are an early days work in progress, having already cleared out about dozen dead wood players, and others out on loan.

They were never going to compete with the talented squads built up over many years by Man C, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea.
For example, on Saturday Chelsea will have access to £355m of talent, compared to exactly half that sum of a squad cost for LFC!!!

The cups runs have been a sweetener, after awful finishing in many PL games.

Early days? They've been saying that since 1990....

 

[Northstandite]

Their first choice strikeforce (total cost: £57 million)- including the much lauded Suarez- has scored fewer goals than Craig Mackail-Smith and Ashley Barnes this season. Good skills!

Do you buy Albion programmes? Repeatedly, the Albion players this season talk about the class of Suarez in the 2 defeats.

Didn't happen to see he Suarez hatrick last Saturday? Would love CMS or Barnes to be able to score any one of those, against PL defenders.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

They are an early days work in progress, having already cleared out about dozen dead wood players, and others out on loan.

So what about the deadwood they've picked up in the last two transfer windows?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Do you buy Albion programmes? Repeatedly, the Albion players this season talk about the class of Suarez in the 2 defeats.

Didn't happen to see he Suarez hatrick last Saturday? Would love CMS or Barnes to be able to score any one of those, against PL defenders.

I know he's a decent player, he was by far their most impressive against us in both games. But that doesn't take away the fact that, for all the hype, he's only made it into double figures for the season last week. He missed a few games through suspension, sure, but I can't help feeling he gets let off the hook far more than Carroll does considering how many chances he misses.

I'm not really comparing them to our strikers, quite clearly they're in a different league in every sense. But 11 goals is actually a poor return for £22 million. It's not even like he's been setting them up left right and centre, as Liverpool's next highest scorer is in single figures.

 

[Northstandite]

Early days? They've been saying that since 1990....

Under that logic, Spurs, Everton, Arsenal, LFC, ManU .... might as well pack up, if they cannot win the league from now on, with Chelsea & Man City winning all future prizes, outspending the rest.

The last 11 years has brought LFC to be European Champions, UEFA cup, FA & League Cups. Amazing for a club not dining at the top table in money terms. The PL is a million miles away from them now (and Arsenal, Spurs, etc); as the PL era means the largest cheque booksnow determines that particular prize.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

They were never going to compete with the talented squads built up over many years by Man C, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea.
For example, on Saturday Chelsea will have access to £355m of talent, compared to exactly half that sum of a squad cost for LFC!!!

Oh behave. Liverpool have spunked millions on Caroll, Henderson, Adam and other donkeys who should be playing in the park on Sundays. Whilst keeping up with Man city is impossible, you can't tell me Liverpool have spent less than say Arsenal who are so far in front you can't see them and Newcastle who are conviniently missing from the list.

Liverpool are behind because they have spent shit loads on shit players which hasn't improved an already mediocre squad - not because they have been financially impoverished since the new owners turned up.

 

[Easy 10]

Their first choice strikeforce (total cost: £57 million)- including the much lauded Suarez- has scored fewer goals than Craig Mackail-Smith and Ashley Barnes this season. Good skills!

This is a bit unfair.

OK, Suarez may have scored less goals, but look at all the free publicity he has brought Liverpool this season. WORLDWIDE publicity at that. Suarez has been utterly crucial in raising the global brand awareness of LFC, and has kept them on the pages of newspapers all over the world with his racialist antics. You just cannot buy publicity like that, and now we can see Liverpool are reaping the rewards.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Oh behave. Liverpool have spunked millions on Caroll, Henderson, Adam and other donkeys who should be playing in the park on Sundays. Whilst keeping up with Man city is impossible, you can't tell me Liverpool have spent less than say Arsenal who are so far in front you can't see them and Newcastle who are conviniently missing from the list.

Liverpool are behind because they have spent shit loads on shit players which hasn't improved an already mediocre squad - not because they have been financially impoverished since the new owners turned up.

That.

 

[leigull]

Liverpool are behind because they have spent shit loads on shit players which hasn't improved an already mediocre squad - not because they have been financially impoverished since the new owners turned up.

Exactly, they may well have shipped, or loaned out some mediocre players, but they have replaced with with rather highly priced mediocre players instead. Great business.

I really wouldn't mind Liverpool if it wasn't for the smuggest, twatiest manager of all time (yes more than Adkins) in Dalglish. His reaction to winning the League Cup, against a Championship side, on penalties, was frankly embarrassing. Most managers would have shown a slightly humble side and gone and shaken the opposing manager's hand, before considering racing onto the pitch and dancing round like a lunatic, but no, not our Kenny. He was so overjoyed at how they outclassed Cardiff from the penalty spot, that he forgot all that tedious work that is showing a bit of class and decorum to a manager who's team should have been well beaten on the day but fought for their lives to take it to pens.

 

[Gullflyinghigh]

I think you're all being MASSIVELY unfair.

You are completely ignoring the fact that Liverpool have struck the woodwork an astonishing 81 times this season in the Premier League. Had even HALF of those attempts actually resulted in a goal, then taking into account everyone elses results, Liverpool would have wrapped up the title nearly a month ago on April 7th when they drew at Anfield with Aston Villa. This is a mathematical fact, so don't even bother checking, or anything.

I find it hilarious that Fergie and Mancini have this "title fight" going on, when if they'd actually bothered checking, or had one of their so-called "minions" look into it, then they'd know that Liverpool are already the true champions, and have been for weeks.

So, to sum up, Liverpool have had more off target shots than anyone (realistic possibility) and would be runaway champions if that pesky 'winning games' thing was abolished?

Well I'm convinced, give them the trophy! Hell, Mancini and Ferguson wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they could be convinced to ignore stuff like the league table and go on points almost won.

(I've gone full sarcasm as I genuinely can't tell if you're being serious, obviously I hope not for your sake)

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Under that logic, Spurs, Everton, Arsenal, LFC, ManU .... might as well pack up, if they cannot win the league from now on, with Chelsea & Man City winning all future prizes, outspending the rest.

The last 11 years has brought LFC to be European Champions, UEFA cup, FA & League Cups. Amazing for a club not dining at the top table in money terms. The PL is a million miles away from them now (and Arsenal, Spurs, etc); as the PL era means the largest cheque booksnow determines that particular prize.

Where did I say they should pack up? And let's not kid ourselves that back in the day, Liverpool's title victories were somehow purer or more worthy because there wasn't the money in the game. The trophy haul you mention is not "amazing": you talk as though LFC are some kind of minnow club with no right to even be competing, yet in another post you build them up as a big club. Which is it to be? Seems like the size of the club is changed to suit the agenda at the time.

Liverpool get crowds of 44,000 or so for most home games. Considerably more than Spurs do, and on a par with Chelsea. How does that put them in a weaker place financially than those clubs? Yes, Chelsea have Abramovich, but really, they're not spending money like they used to, and in any case, sums of £20 million plus spanked on Carroll, Suarez and Henderson hardly suggest Liverpool are poverty stricken. It still puts them leagues above Newcastle, for example. Arsenal hardly spend anything on players, but are still in the main a more stable entity than Liverpool, and more likely to contend in future. Liverpool have had years to do something about their reduced status in the game, and yet nothing has ever happened. You can't tell me it's only since Kenny came back that they've decided to do something about it??

 

[Aadam]

Just need a finisher. A bit like the Albion!!

They are an early days work in progress, having already cleared out about dozen dead wood players, and others out on loan.

They were never going to compete with the talented squads built up over many years by Man C, Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea.
For example, on Saturday Chelsea will have access to £355m of talent, compared to exactly half that sum of a squad cost for LFC!!!

The cups runs have been a sweetener, after awful finishing in many PL games.

What a complete load of bollocks. Since 2006 Liverpool are the second highest spenders in the premier league, having spent a MASSIVE £309,640,000 on players. The only team above them, unsurprisingly are Man City with £531,670,000. Chelsea have spent £282,300,00 and United £217,200,000. I would say six years is ample time to build up a talented squad of players. Sure their net spend is only £83,310,000 but United have a net of £51,600,000 and they're not doing too badly, considering...

The common denominator in all of this is the manager. Dalglish is useless. Liverpool fans can continue to watch their team through rose tinted glasses all they like, but the fact is, regardless of selling players, if you're purchase gross is over £300,000,000 you damn well should have a top squad. NO EXCUSES.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

What a complete load of bollocks. Since 2006 Liverpool are the second highest spenders in the premier league, having spent a MASSIVE £309,640,000 on players. The only team above them, unsurprisingly are Man City with £531,670,000. Chelsea have spent £282,300,00 and United £217,200,000. I would say six years is ample time to build up a talented squad of players. Sure their net spend is only £83,310,000 but United have a net of £51,600,000 and they're not doing too badly, considering...

The common denominator in all of this is the manager. Dalglish is useless. Liverpool fans can continue to watch their team through rose tinted glasses all they like, but the fact is, regardless of selling players, if you're purchase gross is over £300,000,000 you damn well should have a top squad. NO EXCUSES.

Exactly right, United boy

 

[DT Withdean]

You have an inherited player that cost £11m, you have to sell him to buy one for £20m.
= a typical LFC, most clubs scenario.

You have an inherited player that cost £11m, you keep him, and add another for £20m.
= a typical CFC or Man City scenario.

All other things being equal, who has the best squad for a raft of league and cup game?. Obviously the latter.

Net spend, or current squad cost is the key. The gross spend of managers over 5, 10 or 20 years is irrelevant.


CFC have been bank rolled by almost £1b over 8 years. All in audited accounts.
The transfer spending websites clearly show that over the last 4 years, Man City, CFC and others have spent money on a different level.

In the last 3 windows alone, we have:
Torres 50
Luiz 26
Lukaku 20
Mata 23.5
Meireles 12
Cahill 7
De Bruyne 6.7
Marin 6.5
Coutois 6
Romeu 4.4

Abram has not let off. The latest accounts loss is £70m, and that was before the Torres buy.

 

[Easy 10]

So, to sum up, Liverpool have had more off target shots than anyone (realistic possibility) and would be runaway champions if that pesky 'winning games' thing was abolished?

Well I'm convinced, give them the trophy! Hell, Mancini and Ferguson wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they could be convinced to ignore stuff like the league table and go on points almost won.

(I've gone full sarcasm as I genuinely can't tell if you're being serious, obviously I hope not for your sake)

The fact my post was even slightly believable just goes to show some of the self-justifying claptrap the bindippers come out with on here

 

[Aadam]

Net spend, or current squad cost is the key. The gross spend of managers over 5, 10 or 20 years is irrelevant.

For what they have spent, Liverpool are underachieving. Look at the relative league success over the past couple of years and those teams fighting for forth with Liverpool: Since 2006 Liverpool net spend: £83,310,000. Newcastle net spend: -£19,350,000. Newcastle have made nearly £20,000,000 in profit since 2006. Ask any Liverpool player and honest fan how they measure success and they will tell you they want the league, or best league position. The league cup is a nice trophy to keep the cup count rolling over, but the league is what will hurt them, I'm sure of it.