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Gus Poyet's Tactics



John Simkin

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Aug 8, 2011
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If you analyse most goals scored each week you will discover somewhere in the build-up, a member of the team who has conceded, has made a mistake. It is the primary responsibility of the coach to try to stop these mistakes happening. Invariably, these mistakes are the result of players making the wrong decisions. One way the coach attempts to deal with this problem is to make those decisions for him. During the game the player attempts to follow the instructions of his coach that he has received during training.

The Brighton team are very much the product of Gus Poyet’s coaching. There is no doubt that Poyet’s style of play has brought the club a great deal of success. The downside of this is the manager of the opposing team is fully aware of the way that Brighton play. At this level, they are shrewd enough to develop a strategy that will make things difficult for Brighton.

Every home game this season has followed a similar pattern. Brighton build-up play is always slow and measured. The ball is stroked from side to side as the players look for the opportunity to make the decisive pass forward. This is always difficult as the midfield is always packed denying Brighton’s forwards the space they need. At the same time they have been coached not to give the ball way. This results in a tendency to avoid making a longer, more difficult pass. Their task is made more difficult by their forwards closing them down very quickly.

In the games against Doncaster Rovers and Liverpool, Brighton needed to go behind before they increased the speed and variety of their passing. The same thing happened against Leeds on Friday. In the 18th minute Leeds launched the ball forward and managed to get five of their players into Brighton’s penalty area. Adam Clayton’s shot was blocked but it fell kindly to Andy Keogh who had no trouble from scoring close-in.

The situation got even worse six minutes later. Leeds played a long ball to the left side of the defence. Gordon Greer appeared to have enough time to clear the ball into the stands. However, he decided to try and get the ball under control in order to start off a Brighton attack. This did not happen and Greer was dispossessed by the hard-working Keogh. He quickly gave it to Snodgrass who was able to pass it inside to Ross McCormack, who was standing with his back to goal. As he was at least 25 yards from goal, there seemed little danger. But at the moment, McCormack, who is in great form at the moment, swiftly turned and fired an unstoppable shot just inside the post. McCormack then gestured to Michael Brown on the bench to get his money ready. Apparently, Brown gives McCormack £100 every times he scores in a match (McCormack has to give Brown £50 if he fails to do this).

It was clear that at half-time Poyet told them to play at a higher tempo and within two minutes of the restart, Brighton had reduced the deficit. A misdirected Leeds throw-in was picked up by Ashley Barnes near the corner-flag, he made a clever first-time pass to Craig Mackail-Smith. With his back to the goal, he made a delightful turn and in the same movement passed the ball past Lonergan into the net.

The confidence seemed to drain out of Leeds. They stopped closing down the Brighton players with the ball and they therefore had the time to pass the ball into more dangerous areas. In the 60th minute LuaLua went on a run and for about the first time that evening, he managed to end it with a pass that was close to another Brighton player. The speed of Mackail-Smith, made it a much better pass than it was. Even so, he was going away from goal and did not seem an obvious danger. Leigh Bromby, obviously surprised by Mackail-Smith’s pace, decided to make a tackle, but unable to get the ball, only managed to give away a penalty. Barnes, who is one of the most confident penalty takers I have seen, coolly smashed the ball into the top corner.

Brighton was now dominating the game and it seemed that it was just a matter of time before they got the winner. However, we had to wait until the 84th minute before Barnes conjured up some magic on the right-wing, and Mackail-Smith, showing the kind of great movement that enabled him to lose his marker, just got his toe to the ball before Bromby could clear.

Most fans must have thought that it would not be too difficult to close the game down against a demoralized and apparently exhausted Leeds team. To their credit, they seemed to get a burst of energy after going behind and Vayrynen tested Ankergren with a shot that he could only parry the ball to Adam Clayton who fired over the bar.

In the second minute of extra-time, a Leeds attack broke down. Ankergren had the ball in his hands and I fully expected him to wait a few seconds in order to enable the players on both sides to leave the penalty area and then for him to roll the ball to one of his defenders. That is what Gus Poyet has coached him to do. That is what he does over 95% of the time. Instead, inexplicably, he cleared the ball upfield, where not one Brighton player was standing. The ball went straight to their goalkeeper, who immediately launched the ball into the still packed penalty area. McCormack managed to head the ball onto Howson, Paynter, moved in to tackle, then deciding that he might bring him down, pulled out, and allowed him to get to the bi-line. His cut-back cross with easily knocked in by McCormack.

It is not difficult to imagine what Poyet said to Ankergren after the game. He told the Sky Sports interviewer: “That is not us. We do not play 3-3 games. I will take 0-0 or 1-1. This is something we need to put right.” However, it would be a mistake to concentrate too much on Ankergren’s strange decision to give the ball to the opposing goalkeeper in the last minute. Poyet will need to address the problems that are emerging during the first-half of his team’s games.
 




Aug 31, 2009
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Brighton
Interesting analysis, can't really fault it. Though it more or less puts into words what we all already know, good to look at some of the details of that - ie. going a bit further with thought than 'we always seem to raise our game in the second half'.

:albion:
 


Mar 10, 2006
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Good analysis. Have commented to people after the last three or so matches about how slow we are starting. If you didn't know any different you would say that for the opening half hour or so we look like a team playing without confidence. I just put it down to Leicester being one of those days, and the fact that we were on telly and all the hype that goes with it affecting performances in the Liverpool/Leeds games. We need to play at a faster pace like we have in the 2nd halves of the above mentioned games. Lets hope we don't start slowly tomorrow.
 


Aug 31, 2009
1,880
Brighton
it is a good point. it's part of our game of course, but if we could start with a tiny bit more energy, we'd become more probing without a doubt, rather than the SLIGHTLY negative low-energy keep ball as it has been lately.

that said, the point of the way we start the games is to warm ourselves up to a match dictated under OUR terms, which is considered passing, waiting for that albion spark to get us going.
 


perseus

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Total Football is too Exhausting

It often looks more like a chess game on the TV.

The sudden back heel and the abrupt change of direction (McCormack), the dummied pass (Bellamy), are all tactics. Attention to detail.

Formations are strategy.4-4-2 will usually beat the 4-3-3, the players being roughly equal. But if the wingers can play midfield as well the 4-3-3 can quickly switch to 4-4-2 or even 4-5-1.

Lua lua is the player with pace and change of direction, but he cannot defend or press all that well.

So will Gus start with the 4-3-3 against Palace or will we have a more conventional 4-4-2?

Or we could play the 4-3-3 with one of the strikers playing much deeper. If this is the case Barnes will have to hold on to the ball a fraction longer to allow the other players to into the game.
 
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Seagull27

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Feb 7, 2011
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Bristol
I think the point has to be made though that if we keep our tempo down in the first half, our players won't be doing half as much running around as the other team. Assuming we do our job properly and go into the second half in a decent position, having players like Noone, Buckley, Lua Lua and CMS with substantial amounts of energy left when the opposition is tiring will be a nightmare for defenders - as we've seen in previous games.

Having said that, I think it's more of a case that in Liverpool/Leeds/Doncaster we just didn't click in the first half for whatever reason. Our passing game in general wasn't great, we kept giving the ball away and we were not being effective. When things started to work in the second half we could do what we normally do.
 


Aug 31, 2009
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Brighton
I wonder who will start in the middle. I'd guess at Noone, Bridcutt... After that I don't know. Gus keeps it fluid. I'd have Harley back in if he promises to change his body language from arrogant sod to trier.
 


cirC

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Jul 26, 2004
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Against Leeds it looked as though we lined up as 4 2 4 with Noone on the right wing and Lua Lua on the left.We were over run in midfield for most of that half.The 2nd half we reverted to a 4 3 3 with Vicente replacing Noone.Ok Noone may have felt the effects of 2 games in 48 hours but I for one would prefer Noone on the left with Vicente playing as the 3rd midfielder.That should give a more balanced midfield and attack.
I feel that Lua Lua is still a bit of a one trick pony and although the trick is good when working he does not get back enough when we are defending to warrant a start place.In fact when Buckley is fit he may struggle to get on the subs bench.
 
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perseus

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Central Midfielder in the 4-3-3

Poyet's quote, roughly translated is that of we keep our shape and show movement of the ball, a chance will come. If the opponents play deep, there is a chance that we will have to actually make things happen and this was happening with the set pieces against Leeds.

People sometimes cry out for a creative midfielder, but I am into total football where everybody is creative even the defenders. So I think if we ever found a box-to-box midfielder (like Frank Lampard) we could play 4-3-3 more often.
 
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Captain Sensible

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I have no doubt we will start with tempo and belief. The team also know that if they go 1 down, how to come back. Its like Gus always says, a team cannot press for 90 minutes. So we will have control of the game at certain times. Agaist Liverpool and Leeds it was almost the entire 2nd half. If we play well from the off, we should win the game without too many problems. Casper worries me though, his kicking can put us straight under pressure and he come out of his goal too often. Leeds tried to pull him out of his goal and cut it back to a striker whilst Casper ist struggling to get back, they did this on about 3 occasions. I hope he learns from it.
 






perseus

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Chess Analogy

I have no doubt we will start with tempo and belief.

Tempo is a term used in chess. Roughly, it means if you keep posing the other side problems, something will break, But if you make mistakes, misplace passes, the tempo reverts to the other side. If the opponents have the tempo, the temptation is to play the ball long to relieve the pressure and hope they are not paying attention. It sometimes works, but not often. It is good to put the occasional long ball to mix up the play and give them something else to worry about.

Possible team:

16. Casper Ankergren
14. Iñigo Calderón 5. Lewis Dunk 3. Gordon Greer 22. Marcos Painter
26. Liam Bridcutt
??? ???
12. Craig Mackail-Smith 9. Ashley Barnes 25. Kazenga LuaLua
 
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Captain Sensible

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Tempo is a term used in chess. Roughly, it means if you keep posing the other side problems, something will break, But if you make mistakes, misplace passes, the tempo reverts to the other side. If the opponents have the tempo, the temptation is to play the ball long to relieve the pressure and hope they are not paying attention. It sometimes works, but not often. It is good to put the occasional long ball to mix up the play and give them something else to worry about.

Possible team:

16. Casper Ankergren
14. Iñigo Calderón 5. Lewis Dunk 3. Gordon Greer 22. Marcos Painter
26. Liam Bridcutt
??? ???
12. Craig Mackail-Smith 9. Ashley Barnes 25. Kazenga LuaLua


Tempo. ok didn't know that.
I only associate it with speed, i thought it comes from music. The tempo of the music is the speed of the music, no?
 


Aug 31, 2009
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Brighton
would expect to see noone over kaz. i'd call kaz a work in progress at this level - perhaps not one for the high pressure games like this one (if it is thought of as high pressure by the players and staff that is... i know WE see it that way) he's not had enough game time to bring his decision making up to par - seeing him give the ball away on occasion trying to go past a man when a pass would be the better option.
 




perseus

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Tempo. ok didn't know that.
I only associate it with speed, i thought it comes from music. The tempo of the music is the speed of the music, no?

I am not sure the anology is correct:

In chess, tempo refers to a "turn" or single move. When a player achieves a desired result in one fewer move, he "gains a tempo" and conversely when he takes one more move than necessary he "loses a tempo". Similarly, when one forces his opponent to make moves not according to the initial plan, one "gains tempo" because the opponent wastes moves. (wiki)

Probably not. tempo (Italian for time, plural: tempi) is the speed or pace of a given piece.

Tempo is speed, to get the ball forward, not allowing the other side time to adjust. The Albion tempo in the first half is a bit slow. The other side can react.

The metaphor is about right though. If the team keeps giving the ball away, the advantage accrues to the other side.

Tempi is more apparent to the percentage game, perhaps? I never liked this and I thought it meant English football went through a bad phase. In the percentage game, possession football was thought of solely as a defensive tactic. In the short spell that Brain Clough was at the Albion we changed from hit and hope to a more measured football. And then under Barry Lloyd we reverted back.
 


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Bristol
I am not sure the anology is correct:

In chess, tempo refers to a "turn" or single move. When a player achieves a desired result in one fewer move, he "gains a tempo" and conversely when he takes one more move than necessary he "loses a tempo". Similarly, when one forces his opponent to make moves not according to the initial plan, one "gains tempo" because the opponent wastes moves. (wiki)

Probably not. tempo (Italian for time, plural: tempi) is the speed or pace of a given piece.

Tempo is speed, to get the ball forward, not allowing the other side time to adjust. The Albion tempo in the first half is a bit slow. The other side can react.

The metaphor is about right though. If the team keeps giving the ball away, the advantage accrues to the other side.

Tempi is more apparent to the percentage game, perhaps? I never liked this and I thought it meant English football went through a bad phase. In the percentage game, possession football was thought of solely as a defensive tactic. In the short spell that Brain Clough was at the Albion we changed from hit and hope to a more measured football. And then under Barry Lloyd we reverted back.


Tempo is speed of thought and action. Pure and simple. The higher tempo a team plays the quicker they play- the more aggressive they are with their pressing, the faster their movements off the ball, the quicker their reaction time, the quicker they make decisions. ETC.
You impose your tempo on another team rather than it being a case of either have or not having control of the tempo.
 


perseus

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Keeping the ball and kicking around until you find an opening is not new. The Albion side with Neil McCrab were exponents of this. Before him Peter O'Sullivan with Peter Ward upfront.
 


perseus

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Tippy-tappy Football

Possession football
Teams that aim to retain control of the ball over longer periods of time, in the process making a large percentage of passes that give low risk of losing the ball, are said to play possession football. Utilizing this tactic demands players skillful in ball control and precise passing. If successful, it will tire opposing players because they have to run and tackle more. A style of possession football originating from Spain is "tiki-taka", where a large number of primarily short passes are deployed by multiple players of the team before culminating in a definitive strike on the opposing team's goal. It was effectively employed by the UEFA Euro 2008 and 2010 FIFA World Cup champions Spain, managed by Luis Aragonés and Vicente del Bosque respectively, and the sextuple-winning 2008-09 FC Barcelona side managed by Josep Guardiola.

Association football tactics and skills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Called tippy-tappy in Stoke.

Liverpool and Brighton both play 4-3-3

Formation (association football) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The above page is much too simple and is inaccurate because of this. Or rather it is how it is played nowadays rather than by Brazil of 1970. It is fallible though. Norway beat Brazil in one game in the World Cup. 4-4-2 will usually defeat 4-3-3 which is why Poyet has to swap his formations.
 
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Kalimantan Gull

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The Brighton team are very much the product of Gus Poyet’s coaching. There is no doubt that Poyet’s style of play has brought the club a great deal of success. The downside of this is the manager of the opposing team is fully aware of the way that Brighton play. At this level, they are shrewd enough to develop a strategy that will make things difficult for Brighton.

Don't completely agree here. Gus' tactics, as he himself has said, are to disrupt the oppositions style of play. This was seen to most effect at Cardiff where he played a defensive midfielder (Vincelot) just behind our front 2. Unorthodox, but very effective. It stopped them building from the back, their main tactic.

Secondly, I'm happy to say that our players are not the most talented in the division. They do work very well as a unit though and have extreme levels of fitness. We also have some excellent impact subs, another favourite of Gus. Overall though, this means that we are vulnerable to a team coming out at high pace and hitting us early, our superior fitness and the strength of our subs generally mean we finish stronger. This happened repeatedly last season, we went behind in several games and came back, and essentially if we don't concede early then we are on the home straight Both Pompey and Cardiff had excellent early chances before we took over the midfield. Leeds and Liverpool both got those early goals, which made it harder for us.
 


Samej

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If you analyse most goals scored each week you will discover somewhere in the build-up, a member of the team who has conceded, has made a mistake. It is the primary responsibility of the coach to try to stop these mistakes happening. Invariably, these mistakes are the result of players making the wrong decisions. One way the coach attempts to deal with this problem is to make those decisions for him. During the game the player attempts to follow the instructions of his coach that he has received during training.

The Brighton team are very much the product of Gus Poyet’s coaching. There is no doubt that Poyet’s style of play has brought the club a great deal of success. The downside of this is the manager of the opposing team is fully aware of the way that Brighton play. At this level, they are shrewd enough to develop a strategy that will make things difficult for Brighton.

Every home game this season has followed a similar pattern. Brighton build-up play is always slow and measured. The ball is stroked from side to side as the players look for the opportunity to make the decisive pass forward. This is always difficult as the midfield is always packed denying Brighton’s forwards the space they need. At the same time they have been coached not to give the ball way. This results in a tendency to avoid making a longer, more difficult pass. Their task is made more difficult by their forwards closing them down very quickly.

In the games against Doncaster Rovers and Liverpool, Brighton needed to go behind before they increased the speed and variety of their passing. The same thing happened against Leeds on Friday. In the 18th minute Leeds launched the ball forward and managed to get five of their players into Brighton’s penalty area. Adam Clayton’s shot was blocked but it fell kindly to Andy Keogh who had no trouble from scoring close-in.

The situation got even worse six minutes later. Leeds played a long ball to the left side of the defence. Gordon Greer appeared to have enough time to clear the ball into the stands. However, he decided to try and get the ball under control in order to start off a Brighton attack. This did not happen and Greer was dispossessed by the hard-working Keogh. He quickly gave it to Snodgrass who was able to pass it inside to Ross McCormack, who was standing with his back to goal. As he was at least 25 yards from goal, there seemed little danger. But at the moment, McCormack, who is in great form at the moment, swiftly turned and fired an unstoppable shot just inside the post. McCormack then gestured to Michael Brown on the bench to get his money ready. Apparently, Brown gives McCormack £100 every times he scores in a match (McCormack has to give Brown £50 if he fails to do this).

It was clear that at half-time Poyet told them to play at a higher tempo and within two minutes of the restart, Brighton had reduced the deficit. A misdirected Leeds throw-in was picked up by Ashley Barnes near the corner-flag, he made a clever first-time pass to Craig Mackail-Smith. With his back to the goal, he made a delightful turn and in the same movement passed the ball past Lonergan into the net.

The confidence seemed to drain out of Leeds. They stopped closing down the Brighton players with the ball and they therefore had the time to pass the ball into more dangerous areas. In the 60th minute LuaLua went on a run and for about the first time that evening, he managed to end it with a pass that was close to another Brighton player. The speed of Mackail-Smith, made it a much better pass than it was. Even so, he was going away from goal and did not seem an obvious danger. Leigh Bromby, obviously surprised by Mackail-Smith’s pace, decided to make a tackle, but unable to get the ball, only managed to give away a penalty. Barnes, who is one of the most confident penalty takers I have seen, coolly smashed the ball into the top corner.

Brighton was now dominating the game and it seemed that it was just a matter of time before they got the winner. However, we had to wait until the 84th minute before Barnes conjured up some magic on the right-wing, and Mackail-Smith, showing the kind of great movement that enabled him to lose his marker, just got his toe to the ball before Bromby could clear.

Most fans must have thought that it would not be too difficult to close the game down against a demoralized and apparently exhausted Leeds team. To their credit, they seemed to get a burst of energy after going behind and Vayrynen tested Ankergren with a shot that he could only parry the ball to Adam Clayton who fired over the bar.

In the second minute of extra-time, a Leeds attack broke down. Ankergren had the ball in his hands and I fully expected him to wait a few seconds in order to enable the players on both sides to leave the penalty area and then for him to roll the ball to one of his defenders. That is what Gus Poyet has coached him to do. That is what he does over 95% of the time. Instead, inexplicably, he cleared the ball upfield, where not one Brighton player was standing. The ball went straight to their goalkeeper, who immediately launched the ball into the still packed penalty area. McCormack managed to head the ball onto Howson, Paynter, moved in to tackle, then deciding that he might bring him down, pulled out, and allowed him to get to the bi-line. His cut-back cross with easily knocked in by McCormack.

It is not difficult to imagine what Poyet said to Ankergren after the game. He told the Sky Sports interviewer: “That is not us. We do not play 3-3 games. I will take 0-0 or 1-1. This is something we need to put right.” However, it would be a mistake to concentrate too much on Ankergren’s strange decision to give the ball to the opposing goalkeeper in the last minute. Poyet will need to address the problems that are emerging during the first-half of his team’s games.

it would be a mistake to concentrate too much on Ankergren’s strange decision to give the ball to the opposing goalkeeper in the last minute.

I think Ankers is the keeper we should be sticking with, but get the impresion he does not attend the Gus team talks as he is constantly Hoofing the ball into the opposing half.Someone needs to tear him a new arsehole.:albion2::albion2::albion2::albion2:
 


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