First a burglar, now a robber removed from the human gene pool

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BBC News - Old Trafford florist Cecil Coley held over fatal stabbing

A 72-year-old florist has been arrested after a man was stabbed to death in a robbery at a Greater Manchester shop.

Police were called to the shop in Shrewsbury Street, Old Trafford, at 21:40 BST on Tuesday.

A 30-year-old man was taken to hospital with serious injuries and died a short time later.

Shop owner Cecil Coley was taken to hospital with minor injuries and is being held on suspicion of murder.

Police also said a man, aged 19, presented himself at Manchester Royal Infirmary with stab wounds on Tuesday and was arrested on suspicion of robbery.

Both he and Mr Coley were expected to remain in hospital overnight and will be taken into police custody on Thursday.


Police said a gun was found at the scene and was being forensically examined.

The dead man is believed to have been one of a number of men who tried to rob the shop.

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I guess the police have to be seen to be doing the right thing, but I fully expect the CPS to chuck this case into the gutter like the deceased burglar.

 

[1066familyman]

What exactly is the difference between a burglar and a robber ?

Is it that the former breaks in hoping to meet no resistance, whilst the latter is up for confrontation?

 

[Ned]

What exactly is the difference between a burglar and a robber ?

Is it that the former breaks in hoping to meet no resistance, whilst the latter is up for confrontation?

A Burglar operates during the hours of darkness.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Murder is pre-meditated is it not? How can someone acting out of alleged self defence be charged for murder and not manslaughter? Is it because the police want a conviction to keep their averages looking good and will accept a plea of manslaughter? I'm sure I'm missing the point, so, par for the course...

 

[Barrel of Fun]

A Burglar operates during the hours of darkness.

So you can rob at 5pm in the summer, but burgle at 5pm in the winter? Does one carry a lesser charge?

 

[1066familyman]

So you can rob at 5pm in the summer, but burgle at 5pm in the winter? Does one carry a lesser charge?

I think both, if I'm not mistaken, will get you a neg rep, regardless of the season.

 

[Lush]

A Burglar operates during the hours of darkness.

Hence the term daylight robbery. I can see where you're going with this ...

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I think both, if I'm not mistaken, will get you a neg rep, regardless of the season.

That is true. Although there are some robberies that are revered. Robin of the Hood, being one.

 

[1066familyman]

Hence the term daylight robbery. I can see where you're going with this ...

But how about when we've had the lion's share of possession, most shots on target, a moody ref and come away with nul póint....BUT it was an evening game under the floodlights. Does that still count ?

 

[1066familyman]

That is true. Although there are some robberies that are revered. Robin of the Hood, being one.

But stealing from one's homies could get one in rather more bother than a neg rep situation, don't ya think ?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

But stealing from one's homies could get one in rather more bother than a neg rep situation, don't ya think ?

Fair comment.

Pos rep, to you

 

[Whitterz]

Robbery is under the theft act. However the offender must have used force immediately before , or at the time of doing so (At the time of the theft)

Burglary needs the offender to enter as a tresspasser with intent to steal / commit crim. damage, GBH , or attempts to do any of the former.

 

[sten_super]

Murder is pre-meditated is it not? How can someone acting out of alleged self defence be charged for murder and not manslaughter? Is it because the police want a conviction to keep their averages looking good and will accept a plea of manslaughter? I'm sure I'm missing the point, so, par for the course...

There's a suggestion that the shop keeper had a weapon behind the counter, presumably with the intention of using it if anyone attempted to rob him. I'd imagine the CPS would argue that's intent to kill.

 

[Woodchip]

Surely he could get away with saying that a knife is a tool of the trade. Well done to the old boy I say.