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El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
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A decision by a county court judge could mean thousands of borrowers being able to renege on their debts.

Judge Jacqueline Smart at South Shields county court has decided that the MBNA credit card company cannot demand the repayment of a customer's debt.

It tried to force Lynne Thorius to repay the £8,000 she owed on her card.

But the Judge decided there had been an unfair relationship between Ms Thorius and MBNA because of the way she had been sold payment protection insurance.

'Massive ramifications'

Ms Thorius' case was pursued on her behalf by a claims management firm Cartel Client Review, based in Manchester, and the law firm Consumer Credit Litigation Solicitors.

Carl Wright of Cartel Client Review, said the court decision was a landmark judgement.

"This will have massive ramifications for consumers up and down the country," he said.

But MBNA downplayed the importance of the court decision.

"The judgement went against MBNA for a number of reasons," a spokeswoman said.

"In principle, because the deputy district judge felt that MBNA had not on this occasion provided the appropriate documents to the customer and as such was not able to rely on the clauses MBNA would ordinarily seek to rely on in these cases," she explained.

"The case is a county court case and each case is decided on its own merits and on the factual circumstances of each case. This does not set any legal precedent," said MBNA.

The credit card in question was branded with the logo of Sunderland football club and was sold to Ms Thorius in the club's shop in 2002.

The PPI policy was strongly recommended by MBNA to her at the same time, to pay off her account if she fell ill or was made redundant.

But, critically, she had not been told that MBNA would be receiving regular commission payments from the insurance provider ITT London & Edinburgh, a subsidiary of the Aviva insurance group.

Judge Smart agreed with the argument of Ms Thorius's barrister, Paul Brant, that this "secret" commission meant the credit card deal was unfair and therefore in breach the Consumer Credit Act.

This point could potentially undermine many other agreements where PPI has been sold by the lender alongside a loan.

These include car finance deals, other personal loans and even mortgages.

"This practice is believed to be widespread and formed part of the Competition Commission's decision to prohibit the co-sale of PPI with credit in its report published on 29/1/09," Mr Brant noted.

"This point is likely to affect many thousands of individuals within England and Wales," he added.


The main ground on which Judge Smart said Ms Thorius's credit card debt was unrecoverable was because MBNA could not provide a copy of the original signed loan agreement, which is also a requirement by the Consumer Credit Act.

The Judge ordered the company either to repay Ms Thorius's PPI premiums and interest, or the value of the commissions it had received which so far has been undisclosed.

The PPI premiums, which rose each month as the credit card debts increased, amounted to £2,500 over the time the card had been in use.

The claims management industry which has emerged in the past few years has been highly controversial.

Many firms advertise in newspapers and on television, encouraging people to come forward to write off their debts.

This year the authorities, such as the Office of Fair Trading (OFT), Ministry of Sound (which regulates claims management firms) and the Solicitors Regulation Authority, have warned firms not to make exaggerated claims about their ability to get debts written off because of apparent technical errors in the lenders' paperwork.

Since April 2007 more than 100 such firms, or those advertising for people to pursue personal injury claims, have been shut down by the OFT.

But the South Shields ruling appears to open up a new and genuine line of attack for claims firms.

"We have been using this argument for some time but lenders have been settling outside the courts to avoid publicity," said Mr Wright.

MBNA applied for leave to appeal, which was rejected, but it may now apply directly to a higher court for permission to appeal.

Or it may be able to appeal if it can find the original loan documentation.

Only when higher courts have decided the issue will the legal ramifications, and the effects on lender and borrowers, be clear.
 




seagullsovergrimsby

#cpfctinpotclub
Aug 21, 2005
43,889
Crap Town
If the PPI loophole allows people to wipe out their debts we'll all be fooked as the credit card companies will get "their" money back by other means. Borrowing money from loan sharks might be an easier option once the credit card companies get their act together.
 


Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,043
Lancing
I did a thread on this earlier in the year. People were sitting back and waiting and this looks like the precedent that allows people to go full steam ahead to dispute unfair credit agreements before 4/07. MBNA are particularly vunerable. This is even more so if PPI cover was flogged on a loan or card which it usually was.

From next week the company we use have a fees free proposition ( used to £ 395 upfromt refunded if no vaild claim ). You can now apply with no upfront fee and they take £ 495 only on the successful conclusion of getting the debt written off. The minimum o/s balance needs to be £ 3k.

PM me if interested.
 


AJWile

New member
Nov 5, 2009
3
Mbna

Hello,

Can you help me please, i have payment protection on my MBNA credit card and to be honest i can not remember ever asking for it.
My income is based on 2 jobs, as i have a part time job as well.
Does this affect my protection if i lost my main income?
I have been working 2 jobs for the last 10 years, so god knows how much payment protection i have paid on my credit card.
Is my ppi invalid?
Any help please?
 


Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
72,238
Living In a Box
Never paid it as alway been able to cover what ever owed on cards and have always "tarted" so I have interest free credit, looks like days of this may be numbered though.
 




seagullsovergrimsby

#cpfctinpotclub
Aug 21, 2005
43,889
Crap Town
Hello,

Can you help me please, i have payment protection on my MBNA credit card and to be honest i can not remember ever asking for it.
My income is based on 2 jobs, as i have a part time job as well.
Does this affect my protection if i lost my main income?
I have been working 2 jobs for the last 10 years, so god knows how much payment protection i have paid on my credit card.
Is my ppi invalid?
Any help please?

Do you have any of the original paperwork ? It might be you didn't tick a box to opt out of PPI (this has now changed as you have to opt in). I would check the small print in your policy , having a part time job may mean they wont pay out if you lost the full time job. If this is the case , you were mis sold the PPI and a visit to a Citizens Advice Bureau will give you further guidance. I had accident and sickness PPI on a mortgage and went through a short period of ill health but was still paid by my employer , when I checked the policy in case I might lose my job there were so many exclusions it basically meant they wouldn't pay out unless I couldn't do any type of work whatsoever.
 


seagullsovergrimsby

#cpfctinpotclub
Aug 21, 2005
43,889
Crap Town
Never paid it as alway been able to cover what ever owed on cards and have always "tarted" so I have interest free credit, looks like days of this may be numbered though.

Credit card tarts wont like it when the 0% interest rate deals disappear :)
 


Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
72,238
Living In a Box






Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
Had it, nearly forgot about it, got a letter saying it was being increased from being some amount per 100 of balance (which I rarely have) to some higher amount + a baseline fee each month.

Told the bank where to shove it rather rapidly!
 


AJWile

New member
Nov 5, 2009
3
Mbna

Do you have any of the original paperwork ? It might be you didn't tick a box to opt out of PPI (this has now changed as you have to opt in). I would check the small print in your policy , having a part time job may mean they wont pay out if you lost the full time job. If this is the case , you were mis sold the PPI and a visit to a Citizens Advice Bureau will give you further guidance. I had accident and sickness PPI on a mortgage and went through a short period of ill health but was still paid by my employer , when I checked the policy in case I might lose my job there were so many exclusions it basically meant they wouldn't pay out unless I couldn't do any type of work whatsoever.

I might have, it was taken out about 7-10 years ago, and i am sure ppi was not on it.
It keeps popping up every time i get a new card when the old one expires and the last year i have been the victim of credit card fraud 3 times, so new cards again.
I was not bothered about it, but my credit card has gone up to 5k, and i have just noticed the ppi is nearly as bad as the interest rate.
I thought a 2nd job would invalidate it, so i am hoping to get my money back for the last 10 years.
I have no recollection of ticking a box for the ppi, its not something i usually sign for.
So the best course of action is to gather my invoices and go to the Citizens advice?
 


Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,043
Lancing
You should be able to get this wiped out and refunded. PM me.
 


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