Argus: Will we see Vicente at training?

[Mellotron]

Gus: "Of course. Why not?"

That, coupled with his slightly disappointed/annoyed sound tone in other parts of the interview, for me suggests it is 100% the agent.

 

[Simster]

Why blame the agent? I'm no fan of agencies in any form, but lets be fair - Vicente has his own mind, will be well aware what the club's medical staff have done for him, and should also realise that he was on the scrap heap this time a year ago.

He has it in his power to simply sign the deal, and he doesn't owe his agent anything. Vicente has gone down in my estimations over this I'm afraid.

 

[Mellotron]

Why blame the agent? I'm no fan of agencies in any form, but lets be fair - Vicente has his own mind, will be well aware what the club's medical staff have done for him, and should also realise that he was on the scrap heap this time a year ago.

He has it in his power to simply sign the deal, and he doesn't owe his agent anything. Vicente has gone down in my estimations over this I'm afraid.

But what if (quite likely) Vicente has said "Yup, I'll sign, now you (the agent) deal with it." and the agent's being a dick? Quite possible. Vicente has been pretty busy over the last few days as well with personal stuff, so probably hasn't been getting deeply involved in contract negotiations.

 

[kingcole]

Why blame the agent? I'm no fan of agencies in any form, but lets be fair - Vicente has his own mind, will be well aware what the club's medical staff have done for him, and should also realise that he was on the scrap heap this time a year ago.

He has it in his power to simply sign the deal, and he doesn't owe his agent anything. Vicente has gone down in my estimations over this I'm afraid.

Sadly not true. Some, probably many, if not most players have binding agreements with their agents that all contract negotiations go through them alone.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

He has it in his power to simply sign the deal, and he doesn't owe his agent anything. Vicente has gone down in my estimations over this I'm afraid.

Have you ever been on a jury?

Your ability to make a decision without ANY facts being presented to you is BRILLIANT.

 

[Mellotron]

Sadly not true. Some, probably many, if not most players have binding agreements with their agents that all contract negotiations go through them alone.

Yup would've definitely assumed this.

 

[Biscuit]

Vicente has gone down in my estimations over this I'm afraid.

You raise some valid points as ever Simster but what if Vicente simply had some family commitments that he needed to tend to and he couldn't fly back to resign before his current contract expired. Hence the reason for the club excersing the extension to make sure nobody pinched him in the grey area between the expired contract and the flight back to sign a new one?

If that was the case, would your opinion of Vicente be restored? Just interested like.

 

[leigull]

Why blame the agent? I'm no fan of agencies in any form, but lets be fair - Vicente has his own mind, will be well aware what the club's medical staff have done for him, and should also realise that he was on the scrap heap this time a year ago.

He has it in his power to simply sign the deal, and he doesn't owe his agent anything. Vicente has gone down in my estimations over this I'm afraid.

Surprised you think less of him now. He's at home with his family and hasn't said anything at all in public about this situation. If he doesn't return as and when Gus expects him too then maybe criticise, but for now there's just not enough info known to start tarnishing people's reputations

 

[Simster]

Have you ever been on a jury?

Your ability to make a decision without ANY facts being presented to you is BRILLIANT.

Eh? I haven't actually MADE a decision. And you could say that about ANYONE expressing any sort of opinion, including [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION] on this thread. He seems to have decided it sounds like it 100% the agent's fault based on one spurious newspaper quote by Gus. Which is fair enough, but he's doing nothing different to me is he?

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Have you ever been on a jury?

Your ability to make a decision without ANY facts being presented to you is BRILLIANT.

Seems to be the norm. When I did jury service, one of my fellow jurors was all for finding the defendant guilty because he'd given him a dirty look when they passed each other on the steps of the court. Fotunately the judge threw the case out.

 

[Simster]

You raise some valid points as ever Simster but what if Vicente simply had some family commitments that he needed to tend to and he couldn't fly back to resign before his current contract expired. Hence the reason for the club excersing the extension to make sure nobody pinched him in the grey area between the expired contract and the flight back to sign a new one?

If that was the case, would your opinion of Vicente be restored? Just interested like.

Yes, it would. I'd have hoped for some clarity on the situation by now, and it is this lack of clarity that put at the door of Vicente. I know he's a great player, I know I'd probably forgive him in a heartbeat when he just did his thing on the first day of the season, but right now he's disappointed me. Same as Calderon did when it seemed he was moving to Southampton.

 

[leigull]

Seems to be the norm. When I did jury service, one of my fellow jurors was all for finding the defendant guilty because he'd given him a dirty look when they passed each other on the steps of the court. Fotunately the judge threw the case out.

Completely seperate topic, but it is worrying how easily jurors can be swayed by things like that and. having one over powering juror that can talk people round to their way of thinking so quickly

 

[ees complicated no?]

Full Argus interview here.

Anyone got today's Argus?

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Eh? I haven't actually MADE a decision. And you could say that about ANYONE expressing any sort of opinion, including [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION] on this thread. He seems to have decided it sounds like it 100% the agent's fault based on one spurious newspaper quote by Gus. Which is fair enough, but he's doing nothing different to me is he?

It's completely different. Mellotron guessing what the situation may be.

You are stating that Vicente HAS gone down in your estimations, despite not knowing his role AT ALL. You've made a character judgement based on nothing the character has done, or said, or is reported to have done or said.

 

[Biscuit]

Yes, it would. I'd have hoped for some clarity on the situation by now, and it is this lack of clarity that put at the door of Vicente. I know he's a great player, I know I'd probably forgive him in a heartbeat when he just did his thing on the first day of the season, but right now he's disappointed me. Same as Calderon did when it seemed he was moving to Southampton.

Fair enough

 

[jackanada]

Aren't extension options usually at improved wages though? I'm presuming we were/are trying to sign him for another 2 years, and possibly with the first year at reduced wages compared to the extension option (though probably with more in terms of appearance/promotion bonuses).

 

[Mellotron]

Eh? I haven't actually MADE a decision. And you could say that about ANYONE expressing any sort of opinion, including [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION] on this thread. He seems to have decided it sounds like it 100% the agent's fault based on one spurious newspaper quote by Gus. Which is fair enough, but he's doing nothing different to me is he?

Fair point.

I think it's harsh to lower your opinion of Vicente though without ANY knowledge of his input (or lack of) in this situation, whereas I could not lower my opinion of agents any lower so cannot be accused of doing so.

 

[Tooting Gull]

Seems to be the norm. When I did jury service, one of my fellow jurors was all for finding the defendant guilty because he'd given him a dirty look when they passed each other on the steps of the court. Fotunately the judge threw the case out.

I think that's fair enough. I mean, you're giving of your time as a public-spirited citizen. The last thing you need is some CLEAR VILLAIN trying to stare you out.

 

[Simster]

It's completely different. Mellotron guessing what the situation may be.

You are stating that Vicente HAS gone down in your estimations, despite not knowing his role AT ALL. You've made a character judgement based on nothing the character has done, or said, or is reported to have done or said.

You really are clutching at straws, and it sounds absurd. Mellotron's suspicion is that the agent is to blame, mine is that Vicente is. The rest is just flannel.

 

[Albumen]

Patience, people. Patience. No-one has kicked a ball yet.