Are the Tories looking the likely winners at the next election?

[Dandyman]

The Tories have failed to win a majority at every General Election after 1992. The economy is tanking and despite all their efforts to gerrymander the next Election they won't win that either.

 

[Stoo82]

Seeing as CMD and Gideon couldn't get a majority against arguably the most unpopular PM ever in 2010 they have f*** all chance of winning the next election

To be fair, it would have need the biggest swing in electrol history.

 

[RexCathedra]

And Labour will win a landslide as people will correctly see a LibDem vote as a vote for this present government

Next go-round, the LibDems will basically be back to their usual, normal role as the SNP -- the Somerset Naturalists' Party.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Seeing as CMD and Gideon couldn't get a majority against arguably the most unpopular PM ever in 2010 they have f*** all chance of winning the next election

I hope you're right.

Osborne has failed to hit any of the economic targets that he has set himself. Still clinging to the idea that it's all Labour's fault as he continues with a failed economic policy .. Ridiculous argument from a hopeless excuse of a man.

 

[abc]

Actually not sure about your logic:

The Tories achilles heal
- immigration. Not enough done to stem the flow The Tories are trying to stem the flow that went exponential under Labour
- overseas aid. Needs to be drastically cut, not increased. Probably not an election issue but many people on all sides support overseas aid
- NHS reorganisation. Why keep changing things for change's sake? No thought about the cost. Reform needed precisely because of the cost
- interference in foreign countries. Too slow to pull our troops out of Afghanistan. Labour took us into Afghanistan
- welfare. A mess. Too much paid out to thousands of lazy bastards. Tories cutting welfare, labour opposing
- Europe. Another mess. Get us out. Cameron giving us that choice. Labour opposing a referendum

 

[Ernest]

I hope you're right.

Osborne has failed to hit any of the economic targets that he has set himself. Still clinging to the idea that it's all Labour's fault as he continues with a failed economic policy .. Ridiculous argument from a hopeless excuse of a man.

Seeing as they've said the pensioners in line for cuts after the election if they won would they vote for the Tories ? They haven't got a snowballs chance in hell of a majority

 

[withdeanwombat]

Next go-round, the LibDems will basically be back to their usual, normal role as the SNP -- the Somerset Naturalists' Party.

Oi !

That's a bare faced lie,that is.

We're choosy in the Republic of Somerset.

 

[RexCathedra]

Oi !

That's a bare faced lie,that is.

We're choosy in the Republic of Somerset.

There is a certain West Country tilt to the Liberals..... What's really frightening is the idea of a bunch of Somerset naturists.....

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Yes, room for one more! Joking aside I think they will get in next time because people have short memories. No one seems to realise most of the financial mess we are in now is due to Blair and Brown. The Tories / coalition cannot agree on anything and Cameron is only changing his spiel because of UKIP policies which would appeal to the majority of the electorate. Farage wont get in power but he can put the wind up the elected.

Precisely right.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

There's a recession on. This will favour the government as people are less likely to risk change.

 

[Racing club]

Yes, room for one more! Joking aside I think they will get in next time because people have short memories. No one seems to realise most of the financial mess we are in now is due to Blair and Brown. The Tories / coalition cannot agree on anything and Cameron is only changing his spiel because of UKIP policies which would appeal to the majority of the electorate. Farage wont get in power but he can put the wind up the elected.

The financial mess originates with the 'big bang' deregulation of the city by the thatcher government in 1986. After then successive conservative and labour government allowed the city to run riot and banks to become too big to fail. People do have a short memory though - I clearly remember that part of Cameron's de-toxification strategy when he became leader was matching labour's spending plans. As far as ukip and the tory right are concerned their hostility to Europe seems to be based on:
a) their desire to turn the uk into the sweat shop of Europe by removing any form of social protection for workers and
b) their fears that the EU wants to regulate the financial services industry that cause the crisis (a rogue industry that has destroyed the real economy and laundered money for drug cartels, rogue states and other criminals)

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Maybe we should resurrect the Seagull Party, I've still got a membership card somewhere.

Bassford for PM!

I'd have to lead the country into a coalition with Norman Baker - politicians do crazy things, once they get a whiff of power. I'd be no different.

 

[beorhthelm]

The financial mess originates with the 'big bang' deregulation of the city by the thatcher government in 1986
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b) their fears that the EU wants to regulate the financial services industry that cause the crisis (a rogue industry that has destroyed the real economy and laundered money for drug cartels, rogue states and other criminals)

top first post. i suppose the US policy of extending mortgages to anyone who asked had nothing to do with any of this? and the european's regulation have protected them from any fallout and their policies havent in anyway perpetuated the soverign debt crisis?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Seeing as they've said the pensioners in line for cuts after the election if they won would they vote for the Tories ? They haven't got a snowballs chance in hell of a majority

Agree.

Also. The Tories need new voters to get a majority. Who have they convinced to vote for them over the past few years?

 

[drew]

Very much so. Labour is the party which incites guilt. There are a surprising number of millionaires who vote Labour out of the guilt they feel because they are rich. In voting Labour, they assuage that guilt by getting the State to help the masses, with increased benefits, increased housing options, and higher taxes to pay for it all, which is the role Labour plays. But, over the years, the State income has increasingly not been enough to pay for all the State handouts, so Labour has often borrowed money from the IMF. When they raised taxes to 96% at one point, we had a brain drain and mass emigration of entrepreneurs and the wealthiest taxpayers, so ending up with less tax overall.

The Conservative party philosophy is completely the opposite. It believes in individual endeavour, and that the State is only there to cushion people short-term in times of hardship. The Conservatives believe that the more money people have in their pockets and bank accounts, the more money they will spend in shops, on services, goods and, which provides employment for people who will do the same, go out and spend their money. Hence, the Tories prefer to have lower taxes. Conversely, they want people to rely less on benefits, because people on benefits aren't paying taxes. They are taking taxes, if you like. And because they are on benefits, they spend less. And when people spend less, other people lose their jobs and go and get benefits, which is the Labour merry-go-round. The Conservatives like entrepreneurs and businessmen, because they create the jobs that people need.

Mrs Thatcher took all this to extremes. She would not bow to the miners and other strikers, and destroyed our manufacturing process in the process. However, her finance ministers cut public services to the bone, thus reducing the State bill and they ended up paying off much of the nation's debt. The economy had never been healthier than it was under the Major Government. Then along came Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who completely reversed that process and got Britain into more debt than ever, paying out more and more benefits, even to people who had never paid a penny's NI or tax and who weren't even born here. And, to top it all, Brown sold some of the nation's assets. It was stupidity in the extreme.

All Cameron is trying to do, is reverse what Labour did last time, but his hands are tied around his back by the unbelievable stupid Mr Clegg, the leader of a party which can't decide if it is Green, Labour, Tory or what, so it is a mixture of all of them, trying to please all of the people all of the time, and pleasing no one.

What a load of tripe. You ignore the issues of the deregulation of banks started under Thatcher and Major in the pursuit of profit above everything else. It's easy to try and paint the tories as the saviours of endeavour leading to personal gain leading to some altruistic goal of providing jobs but taken to the conservative extreme, you would remove all workers rights. They were staunch enemies of the minimum wage with prophecies of doom which never materialised. They are now the advocates of being able to sack staff with no reason and withdraw the rights of staff to fair tribunals, just so these entrepreneurs can make a few extra bucks. I also think you misinterpret guilt for having a conscience, something sadly lacking in the right wing of the Tories! Also, can I suggest you check what the national debt was when Blair came to power (as a percentage of GDP)

There's a recession on. This will favour the government as people are less likely to risk change.

It didn't favour the last government!!!!

The financial mess originates with the 'big bang' deregulation of the city by the thatcher government in 1986. After then successive conservative and labour government allowed the city to run riot and banks to become too big to fail. People do have a short memory though - I clearly remember that part of Cameron's de-toxification strategy when he became leader was matching labour's spending plans. As far as ukip and the tory right are concerned their hostility to Europe seems to be based on:
a) their desire to turn the uk into the sweat shop of Europe by removing any form of social protection for workers and
b) their fears that the EU wants to regulate the financial services industry that cause the crisis (a rogue industry that has destroyed the real economy and laundered money for drug cartels, rogue states and other criminals)

Top post but likely to be ignored by the blue rinse brigade!! Had the US banks not lent recklessly, and had the UK banks not purchased the toxic debt then this recession may not have occured.

 

[HovaGirl]

Tory - useless
Labour - useless
Lib dem - ha ha ha
Ukip - now we are just getting silly
Greens - great idea but doesn't really work in the real world
Independents - no chance

All in all we are screwed get used to it but we will all be ruled by the Chinese soon so who cares!

There's a lot of truth in this!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What a load of tripe. You ignore the issues of the deregulation of banks started under Thatcher and Major in the pursuit of profit above everything else. It's easy to try and paint the tories as the saviours of endeavour leading to personal gain leading to some altruistic goal of providing jobs but taken to the conservative extreme, you would remove all workers rights. They were staunch enemies of the minimum wage with prophecies of doom which never materialised. They are now the advocates of being able to sack staff with no reason and withdraw the rights of staff to fair tribunals, just so these entrepreneurs can make a few extra bucks. I also think you misinterpret guilt for having a conscience, something sadly lacking in the right wing of the Tories! Also, can I suggest you check what the national debt was when Blair came to power (as a percentage of GDP)



It didn't favour the last government!!!!




Top post but likely to be ignored by the blue rinse brigade!! Had the US banks not lent recklessly, and had the UK banks not purchased the toxic debt then this recession may not have occured.

Well said.

 

[Perkino]

I think we have a decent chance at a re-election of the coalition. Although technically nobody votes for it.

There have been plenty of cuts but due to the state the previous government left us in they took appropriate measures to ensure we begun to control the problems and I think if we stick with them they will solve the issues in the long run. The difficulty is that most governments are in a poor position so whatever they did they were going to have a tough time. I think all things considered they've done a decent job