[News] Exploding pagers across Lebanon

The Clamp · Tuesday at 9:15 PM

Justified, reckless, whatever. I don’t pretend to know the ins and outs. To me though, it’s a worrying tactic.

Springal · Tuesday at 9:16 PM

de la zouch said:
Yes it’s lawful warfare. 100 rockets fired this morning alone. That’s how war works, it’s shit. But 1000s of terrorists (recognised as such) now can’t see or can’t have kids or both.

IDF must be disappointed given their penchant for kids

Easy 10 · Tuesday at 9:17 PM

Washie said:
Any normal person with empathy, no matter which side they sit on, should not be celebrating civilian deaths. If this were a targeted attack, this would be brilliant. But this isn't. I would have said nothing if people weren't celebrating the killing of a child.

Israel don't really do targeted attacks do they, as we have seen in Gaza. They'll claim there was a specific target, but they really couldn't give a flying f*ck at a rolling donut about any collateral damage that results from their rockets, bombs and missiles.

The same with today. Detonating pagers, whilst hitting their Hezbollah targets, takes zero account of where they are. If kids die, then so be it. Netanyahu really couldn't give a toss, all bets are off now.

Springal · Tuesday at 9:17 PM

Looks like it was supply chain attack. Very risky you’d think because any X-rays or checks on devices would have probably shown up.

Professor Plum · Tuesday at 9:22 PM

de la zouch said:
Well it’s not, by any recognised definition

It absolutely is as it’s so indiscriminate. Some of the pagers are doubtless used by Hezbollah but from the reports so far, many were in the possession of innocent civilians, business people and children. Terrorism has many definitions but spreading fear and terror, and a lack of concern over innocent bystanders killed or injured, are key parts of most accepted definitions.

Guinness Boy · Tuesday at 9:26 PM

The Clamp said:
Justified, reckless, whatever. I don’t pretend to know the ins and outs. To me though, it’s a worrying tactic.

It’s a long term tactic and very effective. Previously, their commanders were taken out from their phone GPS. So they switched to pagers. Now they can’t use them.

The collateral damage to this is innocent bystanders but a terrorist operation has been shut down.

This is reckless and possibly murder of bystanders by the IDF. But they might have shut down an entire terrorism modus operandi.

All of this is why this cannot be binary or partisan.

ElectricNaz · Tuesday at 9:29 PM

Guinness Boy said:
The collateral damage to this is innocent bystanders but a terrorist operation has been shut down

By terrorists. But hey, collateral damage right. A win for the good guys!

A1X · Tuesday at 9:29 PM

de la zouch said:
No verification of said childs death even from
Lebanese official channels. 500 terrorists have lost their sight and the chance to reproduce #result
Any normal person would concentrate on these facts

I’m sure Vladimir Putin thinks “normal people” should concentrate on the number of Ukrainian troops who’ve been killed rather than the number of orphanages / children’s hospitals he’s fired missiles at. Doesn’t mean we will.

beorhthelm · Tuesday at 9:31 PM

using terrorist tactics to take out terrorist makes you the same. seems Israel government and military just doesnt give a fig for anyone, including their own people's reputation.

Professor Plum · Tuesday at 9:36 PM

Crawley Dingo said:
Was it planted explosive or a hack to make the batteries over heat? I'm having fun winding up antisemites telling them the jews are going to blow up their phones when they post.

Jesus F-ing Christ. Have a bit of basic common decency.

Guinness Boy · Tuesday at 9:36 PM

ElectricNaz said:
By terrorists. But hey, collateral damage right. A win for the good guys!

The last two sentences are not what I said or meant, and I think you know that.

No one is ever going to agree on the status of Israel’s government so it’s pointless discussing it.

Eric the meek · Tuesday at 9:38 PM

A little bit of context. A woman's view of October 7.

I hope you read it. Thank you for your time..

'As a woman you have more to lose': Survivors share their stories in 'October 7 HerStory' project

The "October 7 HerStory" project by the Eden Association documents the intense trauma and common fears experienced by Israeli women during October 7.

www.jpost.com

Edit: if you can stomach it, read the embedded links.

aftershavedave · Tuesday at 9:40 PM

Remember folks, posters aren't always what they seem. There are a couple on here who remind me of plants that we've seen before. A message board with millions of posts is an obvious target

Is it PotG? · Tuesday at 9:42 PM

Some very alarming opinions on here.

de la zouch · Tuesday at 9:44 PM

Professor Plum said:
It absolutely is as it’s so indiscriminate. Some of the pagers are doubtless used by Hezbollah but from the reports so far, many were in the possession of innocent civilians, business people and children. Terrorism has many definitions but spreading fear and terror, and a lack of concern over innocent bystanders killed or injured, are key parts of most accepted definitions.

It’s pagers we are talking about, random civilians didn’t have these pagers. They were supplied to and used by evil terrorists, who can now form a wonderful falsetto choir

herecomesaregular · Tuesday at 9:45 PM

Guinness Boy said:
It’s a long term tactic and very effective. Previously, their commanders were taken out from their phone GPS. So they switched to pagers. Now they can’t use them.

The collateral damage to this is innocent bystanders but a terrorist operation has been shut down.

This is reckless and possibly murder of bystanders by the IDF. But they might have shut down an entire terrorism modus operandi.

nAll of this why this cannot be binary or partisan.

Eh? You really think this shuts them down? This isn't Game Over or anywhere near it.

Professor Plum · Tuesday at 9:46 PM

Guinness Boy said:
It’s a long term tactic and very effective. Previously, their commanders were taken out from their phone GPS. So they switched to pagers. Now they can’t use them.

The collateral damage to this is innocent bystanders but a terrorist operation has been shut down.

This is reckless and possibly murder of bystanders by the IDF. But they might have shut down an entire terrorism modus operandi.

All of this is why this cannot be binary or partisan.

A short term gain at the expense of an even deeper rooted and widening sense of resentment and hatred in the region. Any idea that the Israeli government are working towards a ceasefire and an end to the conflict, is now well and truly out the window.

Professor Plum · Tuesday at 9:50 PM

de la zouch said:
It’s pagers we are talking about, random civilians didn’t have these pagers. They were supplied to and used by evil terrorists, who can now form a wonderful falsetto choir

You’ve no information on the wider distribution of the pagers beyond the core intended targets. It’s obvious from the reports coming in that the victims didn’t belong to one demographic. And even if they had done, think of the ‘collateral damage’ depending on where the device was stored, or who happened to be sitting next to the owner on a bus or in the market. It’s a a truly dreadful tactic.

aftershavedave · Tuesday at 9:54 PM

Professor Plum said:
You’ve no information on the wider distribution of the pagers beyond the core intended targets. It’s obvious from the reports coming in that the victims didn’t belong to one demographic. And even if they had done, think of the ‘collateral damage’ depending on where the device was stored, or who happened to be sitting next to the owner on a bus or in the market. It’s a a truly dreadful tactic.

See my post above. this fella is not an albion fan imo (not you mr plum)

Eric the meek · Tuesday at 9:54 PM

herecomesaregular said:
Eh? You really think this shuts them down? This isn't Game Over or anywhere near it.

How do you know? You're just guessing / hoping.

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