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[Albion] You're the ref: Veltman v Rice
- Thread starter Bozza
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Good to see Fabian point out to journalists how you can’t compare a dead ball situation after a whistle and a ball a player was trying to keep in for a throw in which is a dynamic situation. He did it in a lovely condescending way to add to the slap down. Fully expecting motd to say Rice should not have gone off. He has picked up the baton from Kane as being able to do nothing wrong with some in the media.
Mike Dean also explained on soccer Saturday.
Mike Dean also explained on soccer Saturday.
brighton_tom
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- Jul 23, 2008
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Rice knew exactly what he was doing. He was looking right at Veltman & where the ball was, casually walking in front of the free kick & nudging the ball away. He may not have booted the ball away in an obvious way, but he was very much delaying the free kick in a way he thought would go unnoticed & look like he wasn’t. 99% of the time it goes unpunished. But today it did. Couple that with his dive to the floor trying to con the ref into carding Velts, and overall I have no sympathy.
Which law did he break?
In Black & white?
FWLIW there were far too many marginal greys the whole game, I thought the ref played it well, it was a shithouse game in many respects . . . It may have been better for us, it could have been a whole lot worse.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Pedro kicked the ball which was over the sideline so dead. Due to multi ball, another ball on a cone was available nearby so it didn’t delay anything.
Grime? Far too polite
It's impossible to know, but I think what Veltman was thinking . . . Hit him with the ball . . . . . In a get out the way you twat, hopefully this stings. How would he know Rice was going to flick the ball away? So there's an argument Rice endangered another player. . . A potential red.
Rice should count himself lucky he didn't get injured.
Anyway, game over, we learn from this and move on
JV- MoM.
Clive Walker
Stand Or Fall
I don’t see an option for 10 point deduction for Everton and Leeds so I guess I can’t vote.
Kuipers Supporters Club
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The same thing happened in a Luton game a couple of seasons ago.
In that game, the ‘Veltman’ player, was sent off.
In that game, the ‘Veltman’ player, was sent off.
SlickHenry
Member
- Apr 10, 2020
- 41
Just wanted to check something for clarity as I haven't seen it discussed.
Is kicking the ball away an automatic yellow in the laws of the game? A lot of people saying that Pedro does this in the first half and escaped punishment. I know refs have been told to be strict but I am not sure if it is explicitedly stipulated in the rules?
In the rules it does say "... an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play." I get the consistency argument and I think Pedro should have been booked. I just wonder if the two offences are the same according to the rules and therefore should be punished in the same way. Either way Rice was already on a yellow so silly to stop the free kick being taken and kick the ball away.
Is kicking the ball away an automatic yellow in the laws of the game? A lot of people saying that Pedro does this in the first half and escaped punishment. I know refs have been told to be strict but I am not sure if it is explicitedly stipulated in the rules?
In the rules it does say "... an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play." I get the consistency argument and I think Pedro should have been booked. I just wonder if the two offences are the same according to the rules and therefore should be punished in the same way. Either way Rice was already on a yellow so silly to stop the free kick being taken and kick the ball away.
AZ Gull
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What?
Of course it was an attempt to delay a free kick. How can deliberately moving the ball away from the opposition player, trying to take the free kick, be anything OTHER than attempting to delay a free kick?
Not even sure it was a foul - more like Veltman buying a foul as he is so good at.
Yes - well onside when it was kicked; it was so long before it came down again they'd all moved quite a lot.
Incomparable. It wasn't a free-kick for a start.
There is nothing in the laws about 'delaying' a throw-in. There is a specific offence about deliberately preventing a quick free-kick. The two things are hugely different.
From 2022 every bit of dissent, kicking the ball away, asking for cards to be given were meant to be yellow cards.
In reality, largely abandoned.
Slick cheats such as Arsenal and Manure would be ridden with cards/dismissals if that had been seen through eg the constant asking for cards,
SlickHenry
Member
- Apr 10, 2020
- 41
I get that. I meant are they written in the laws of the game? There is something general about delaying the restart, which my understanding is what kicking the ball away could be interpreted to be. However, there is an explicit rule about delaying a quick free kick.
And sort your 90s barnet out you turkey toothed Plum.
Officials organisations preseason addresss how they will interpret existing laws. For example.
https://insights.betfred.com/educat...cards are being shown than in previous years.
B-right-on
Living the dream
Good old ding dong on TS. Hilarious Arse fan
Agreed. Mutual shithousing ends in a decision. I honestly think, as odd as it sounds, if rice stands up there instead of bringing attention to it, the ref may not have felt he has to make some sort of instant panicky decision.