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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris
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Crawley Dingo
Political thread tourist.
- Mar 31, 2022
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And yet you responded scumbag.
StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
No interest at all in responding to me, after incorrectly stating that I was wrong about your video edited and shared to manufacture more unnecessary drama?
People need to start feeling more comfortable and confident in holding their hands up and being accountable when called out for being grossly incorrect or wilfully ignorant. On both sides. A real rarity.
- Oct 20, 2022
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- #4,724
There maybe an element of truth in this - when people feel politically disenfranchised and powerless to effect change through the democratic process, direct action is the next step.
However, the US isn’t China and the Lincoln Memorial plaza isn’t Tiananmen Square. Afaia, America is still a liberal democracy with a voting system whose only major flaw for Trump is that there is no proven evidence of widespread corruption on the level that would justify not accepting the results (despite years of reseach/investigations).
That would be wishful thinking by far right ideologues (like Trump, Bannon, Farage etc) who have an insurrectionist agenda - they laughingly call it “draining the swamp”, when what they actually mean is they want to blow up the ‘swamp’ of democracy in action, flawed as it is, and have dictatorial power over the mess.
Elon Musk, the latest in line to declare his far right agenda, warning of civil war in the UK and thinly veiled support for ‘Trump the Insurrectionist’:
How Musk and Trump put aside their differences
The two businessmen have sparred in the past - but in this election seem firmly on the same side.
www.bbc.co.uk
“The tech billionaire has cast doubt on machines that tabulate votes and mail ballots, both common features of US elections. He has repeatedly claimed there is rampant non-citizen voting, a frequent Republican talking point in this election.”
Elon’s politics: how Musk became a driver of elections misinformation
X owner, who will interview Trump on Monday, has cast doubt on mail ballots and spread false claims
www.theguardian.com
That’s just weird.
Greg Bobkin
Silver Seagull
- May 22, 2012
- 15,636
Yep. For the majority of people, 'sorry' really DOES seem to be the hardest word. I think it's because deep down - even when they've been proven wrong - they still believe they are right. That and they think it shows weakness, which is BS.
StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
Perfectly put!
Crawley Dingo
Political thread tourist.
- Mar 31, 2022
- 846
As I posted before the numbers are heavily skewed. i logged on to 12 responses and 8 quotes. i don't have the time to respond to all, with citations and admissions of errors. seriously I'm not getting dragged. Nobody here has posted" CD got it right about Biden and his dementia and I got it wrong". I am not going to be held to different standards by bad faith actors
I respect you for being civil and polite but try to understand someone who disagrees with the Hive mind on here is going to run the gauntlet. I may block more trolls.
Crawley Dingo
Political thread tourist.
- Mar 31, 2022
- 846
Although i may object to your post especially smearing Elon as far right(It achieves nothing) thanks for the response.There maybe an element of truth in this - when people feel politically disenfranchised and powerless to effect change through the democratic process, direct action is the next step.
However, the US isn’t China and the Lincoln Memorial plaza isn’t Tiananmen Square. Afaia, America is still a liberal democracy with a voting system whose only major flaw for Trump is that there is no proven evidence of widespread corruption on the level that would justify not accepting the results (despite years of reseach/investigations).
That would be wishful thinking by far right ideologues (like Trump, Bannon, Farage etc) who have an insurrectionist agenda - they laughingly call it “draining the swamp”, when what they actually mean is they want to blow up the ‘swamp’ of democracy in action, flawed as it is, and have dictatorial power over the mess.
Elon Musk, the latest in line to declare his far right agenda, warning of civil war in the UK and thinly veiled support for ‘Trump the Insurrectionist’:
How Musk and Trump put aside their differences
The two businessmen have sparred in the past - but in this election seem firmly on the same side.www.bbc.co.uk
“The tech billionaire has cast doubt on machines that tabulate votes and mail ballots, both common features of US elections. He has repeatedly claimed there is rampant non-citizen voting, a frequent Republican talking point in this election.”
Elon’s politics: how Musk became a driver of elections misinformation
X owner, who will interview Trump on Monday, has cast doubt on mail ballots and spread false claims
That’s just weird.
Yes, it is what you posted. I think Harry WT just couldn't believe his eyes and thought you must have meant the republicans.
Because to most people here it seems that Trump could literally do anything and his supporters would still vote for him. Trump himself even said that I think. And when people like Crawley Dingo post their fake videos, completely unaware just how fake they are, you can't help feel there's no reasoning with them. If CD has now realised the video was complete fake, will he take a step back and reconsider his view and sources? No of course not. He'll plough on regardless.
There are no logical arguments here for voting for Trump. So to suggest that it's the blues who are too far gone is just odd.
Loads of people here posted that Biden was getting too old and too confused and should step down.
StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
I totally agree with all of your post.
And I should of course add that I don’t believe it’s exclusively the (small sub-section) Blues who may be too far gone, I honestly believed it should have gone without saying that many Republican supporters are too, of course.
We’ve seen many thousands of “MAGA” sycophants over the past 7 years, with an actual genuine relatively large following outside of the USA (particularly in Canada and the UK).
I apologize for omitting my stance on that in earlier posts, I truly believed it went without saying.
- Oct 20, 2022
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- #4,732
Feel free to object,
Politics is after all largely about opinions.
However, if you don’t believe Elon Musk is going all in with right wing politics and drifting into far right, I think your opinion of him needs a refresher:
Has Elon Musk been radicalised by his own platform?
The tech billionaire has used his significant reach to attack the prime minister and spread harmful misinformation. But what made him this way? Psychology professor Sander van der Linden explains why the real culprit behind the Tesla CEO’s drift to the far right may be Musk himself...
www.independent.co.uk
He started aligning himself to the right and pallying with far right Republicans soon as he bought Twitter - the platform he has recently given to the British far right activists and criticism of the British Government for punishing online extremis content posters says it all really
StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
I appreciate that - but please know that I called you out because you directly quoted and stated (incorrectly), that I was wrong.
I’m not delicate about it, just hoping for accountability from everyone is all.
And I understand about disagreeing with the majority. I call out the odd bit of crap from both sides.
US Seagull
Well-known member
Musk all in on Trump:
If I was an investor in Truth Social, I'd be a little miffed that this wasn't on Truth.
If I was an investor in Truth Social, I'd be a little miffed that this wasn't on Truth.
StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
I’d say Trump needs Elon now far more than Elon needing Trump, imo.
Though a series of very poor (imo) recent decisions by Elon after a solid decade of ‘wins’ is quite perplexing to me.
Withdean South Stand
Well-known member
- Mar 2, 2014
- 427
Twitter is going to cease exist within the next 12 months if it carries on as it is - the company's debt burden is mental and is directly tied to the Tesla stock price. Tesla is not performing well (surprise surprise), so once that diminishes enough then Twitter's debt burden will be too heavy to service. Advertisers are already long out of Twitter, more will follow and the whole thing will ramp down. The only reason it continues to survive at all and be used is because there is no good alternative, despite Zuckerberg's attempts to throw Threads into the world. Musk is a bigger threat to global democracy and peace then Trump is, but Trump's easier to beat.
On the "interview" between two of the most grotesque CJTC's on the face of the earth, I'm sure it will go about as well as the other Twitter live events. Guaranteed comedy. Tossers.
On the "interview" between two of the most grotesque CJTC's on the face of the earth, I'm sure it will go about as well as the other Twitter live events. Guaranteed comedy. Tossers.
Withdean South Stand
Well-known member
- Mar 2, 2014
- 427
Those investors deserve every slap in the face they're going to get!
Greg Bobkin
Silver Seagull
- May 22, 2012
- 15,636
They are going to need a MASSIVE room to fit both their egos in!
US Seagull
Well-known member
The biggest, most massive room anybody has ever seen. That's what people are saying.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
He’s not wrong though is he.