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[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places



Guinness Boy

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neilbard said:
It's not what you do it's the way that you do it, Starmer is so far removed from the mood of this nation, this has been building for years the heartbreaking murder of 3 young girls was the trigger. Grooming gangs raping young women this country is a tinderbox and Starmer is in his Westminster bubble like his predecessors, blinkers on playing their political games disgusting the lot of them.
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And that’s where you’re wrong. You’re talking about the mood of a few sheep, mostly living in shitholes, who follow the wrong people on social media.

The mood of the nation was tested just over a month ago and democratically elected Labour. Reform, who’d give you what you wanted, scored about 15%. And I doubt all 15% would be prepared to burn down a hotel or attack the police.

Last night most people in the country were watching Josh Kerr in the Olympics or packing to go on a summer holiday or down a pub or club with friends or at work. They weren’t chuntering about Muslims. That’s in you brain (that’s been washed by Tommy).

That said, I look forward to reading your righteous indignation next time a young black kid is killed with a sword or a leading member of the Catholic Church turns out to be a nonce 👍
 




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cjd said:
Wow.....over 2000 posts on this thread.

Had a quick look at the top 12 posters.....hmmmmm. Fascinating.It's like a who's who list for posters who just have to be on their soapboxes all day.....ha ha..!

More Pringles needed.
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“Sent, without irony, from my retirement home in France”
 


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They are just exposing themselves. They have always 'felt' like this. They haven't recently converted.

These goons have nothing to their merit. I'm sanguine.
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And that’s kind of my point. There has been this feeling in the UK for a long time. But people were scared of being called RACIST. And now suddenly they aren’t.
 


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Are there actually going to be any far right tossers there? I predict there will be a load of the other side and nobody to defend the place from. What do you do then? Refurbish the immigration solicitor’s office?
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I think anyone with more than two brain cells suspects and hopes that will be the case, but I'd hate to sit at home and then see pictures the next day of a dozen feral tossers smashing stuff and threatening people in my home town because nobody bothered.

I'm thinking it could be a great opportunity to start up an organic, vegan samba band using instruments only made out of lentils and yoghurt if, as expected, there's a lot of proud Brightonians there and no rioters :thumbsup:
 
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neilbard said:
It's not what you do it's the way that you do it, Starmer is so far removed from the mood of this nation, this has been building for years the heartbreaking murder of 3 young girls was the trigger. Grooming gangs raping young women this country is a tinderbox and Starmer is in his Westminster bubble like his predecessors, blinkers on playing their political games disgusting the lot of them.
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“Sent, without irony, from my retirement home in France”
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I'm in the UK at the moment and very mobile thankyou.


As many will testify, what a sad f*** you continue to be....:lolol::lolol::lolol::lolol::lolol:
 




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neilbard said:
It's not what you do it's the way that you do it, Starmer is so far removed from the mood of this nation, this has been building for years the heartbreaking murder of 3 young girls was the trigger. Grooming gangs raping young women this country is a tinderbox and Starmer is in his Westminster bubble like his predecessors, blinkers on playing their political games disgusting the lot of them.
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I was thinking about what type of person would make the ideal PM at a time like this. A checklist might include:

- Thoughtful, calm manner;
- Reasonably centrist (not likely to exacerbate political divisions; capable of bringing the nation together);
- Strong supporter of law and order;
- Strong experience of bringing communities together;
- Personal knowledge of the concerns of religious minorities....

And then you might add: someone who has led the CPS, especially if that leadership was at a time when similar rioting occurred in the UK.

It's often been said that the UK was particularly unlucky to have Boris Johnson as PM during Covid.....he just wasn't the right sort of person (for many reasons!!) to lead us through those challenges. Maybe now we are lucky to have exactly the right sort of leader to lead us through the current challenges....?
 




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No, I didn't say that. I didn't say they are telling the truth, I simply asked what is the root cause of the violence.



Ok, so you're saying that the root cause is immigration. But the attack in Southport was not carried out by an immigrant, he was a Christian who was born here. Have you got evidence that the attack in Kent was by an immigrant? Regardless, I'm not sure what you want the government to do? Our government were trying to fly illegal immigrants off to Ruanda, what do you want them to do? It's not an easy problem to solve.

These comments you're making about mental illness are just silly. Huw Edwards is being portrayed in MSM as a an absolute wrong'un. He's not mentally ill, he's a disgusting pervert, and MSM aren't saying otherwise. Obviously they wouldn't have said that until he was found guilty of crimes though. We're not being told it's all mental illness.

Because you probably follow some really nasty racist people on social media, you won't get a good picture of the crime around the country. Instead you'll get cherry picked examples where the perpetrators are ethnic minorities, which will colour your view on the cause of crime in this country.




The scandals from the past that you mentioned, like cash for questions, were uncovered by mainstream media. The political establishment didn't tried to hide it, only the guilty parties.

People throwing bricks at the police, setting fire to buildings and looting shops, in the name of sorting out our immigration problems, are going to get accused of being far right. We've had many peaceful protests in this country recently, and they get covered in the media.




These days? The Hillsborough disaster was in 1989 and cash for questions was 1994. You've got your head in the sand.

Anyway, you've said that the problem is immigration. The Tory party wanted to reduce illegal immigration, but failed. Labour now want to reduce it. You no doubt want to stop it. What is your magic recipe for successfully stopping it?
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Time will tell on Southport and Gillingham won’t it, my guess is the establishment and media will coalesce around mental illness, but as I have referenced I don’t trust them to be truthful with motives. Intuitively speaking, the attack on the soldier in Gillingham does not feel like the act of a random violence by a loon but a targeted attack. Similarly Southport, an act of violence so awful that it’s effect would cause the maximum fallout with the public, as it has done. In both cases the perpetrators travelled to the places they committed their acts of violence, that does not indicate mental psychosis, quite the opposite.

Mental illness is now a convenient mechanism for distraction, the case in Nottingham of the individual stabbing and running his victims over did nothing to resolve that position, if anything it’s exacerbated the levels of distrust. That individual should be in prison. Similarly Huw used it as a means to explain his degeneracy, the public can see through it he deception.

Let’s be clear the issue of immigration is complicated, and there are aspects of it which are positive and negative. Unfortunately we do not have politicians that are honest enough to accept there are negatives. For the establishment the narrative is that there are only unbridled positives. This is not reconciling with the lived experience of the public, and politicians and institutions that ignore that position are responsible for building the up pressure in those areas which are most pent up about how factors connected to “immigration” is affecting their lives.

For example, the housing of illegal in migrants in hotels is madness, and toxic, one near me had protests when announced, not just about the illegals, but about all the staff being laid off as the home office supply contractors. No one cared about them, and they were working class of all hues.

Starmer has lumped anyone and everyone that has concerns about immigration into the far right bucket, that’s simply not true.
 






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cunning fergus said:
Starmer has lumped anyone and everyone that has concerns about immigration into the far right bucket, that’s simply not true.
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Except he hasn’t.
 








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cunning fergus said:
Time will tell on Southport and Gillingham won’t it, my guess is the establishment and media will coalesce around mental illness, but as I have referenced I don’t trust them to be truthful with motives. Intuitively speaking, the attack on the soldier in Gillingham does not feel like the act of a random violence by a loon but a targeted attack. Similarly Southport, an act of violence so awful that it’s effect would cause the maximum fallout with the public, as it has done. In both cases the perpetrators travelled to the places they committed their acts of violence, that does not indicate mental psychosis, quite the opposite.

Mental illness is now a convenient mechanism for distraction, the case in Nottingham of the individual stabbing and running his victims over did nothing to resolve that position, if anything it’s exacerbated the levels of distrust. That individual should be in prison. Similarly Huw used it as a means to explain his degeneracy, the public can see through it he deception.

Let’s be clear the issue of immigration is complicated, and there are aspects of it which are positive and negative. Unfortunately we do not have politicians that are honest enough to accept there are negatives. For the establishment the narrative is that there are only unbridled positives. This is not reconciling with the lived experience of the public, and politicians and institutions that ignore that position are responsible for building the up pressure in those areas which are most pent up about how factors connected to “immigration” is affecting their lives.

For example, the housing of illegal in migrants in hotels is madness, and toxic, one near me had protests when announced, not just about the illegals, but about all the staff being laid off as the home office supply contractors. No one cared about them, and they were working class of all hues.

Starmer has lumped anyone and everyone that has concerns about immigration into the far right bucket, that’s simply not true.
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Can you please show where starmer lumped anyone and everyone that has concerns about immigration into far right bucket please? You say it is simply not true. It isn’t. That is why starmer did not say it. He called out the rioters not those at home. I will apologise if you can show where he did that but if you can’t then a) you need to apologise and b) stop spreading lies.

Re housing asylum seekers in hotel (they are not illegal immigrants) - this was on the previous government because they stopped processing applications. Expecting years of inaction to be sorted in a few weeks is ridiculous.
 


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Berty23 said:
www.bbc.com

Wife of Tory Northamptonshire councillor arrested for racial hatred

Lucy Connolly is being questioned over a post calling for hotels with asylum seekers to be set on fire.
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"Lucy Connolly, from Northampton, wrote: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b******* for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it.”

“The childminder has since apologised, and said she had acted on “false and malicious” information.”

So it would have been okay if the information was true?
 




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cunning fergus said:
Time will tell on Southport and Gillingham won’t it, my guess is the establishment and media will coalesce around mental illness, but as I have referenced I don’t trust them to be truthful with motives. Intuitively speaking, the attack on the soldier in Gillingham does not feel like the act of a random violence by a loon but a targeted attack. Similarly Southport, an act of violence so awful that it’s effect would cause the maximum fallout with the public, as it has done. In both cases the perpetrators travelled to the places they committed their acts of violence, that does not indicate mental psychosis, quite the opposite.

Mental illness is now a convenient mechanism for distraction, the case in Nottingham of the individual stabbing and running his victims over did nothing to resolve that position, if anything it’s exacerbated the levels of distrust. That individual should be in prison. Similarly Huw used it as a means to explain his degeneracy, the public can see through it he deception.

Let’s be clear the issue of immigration is complicated, and there are aspects of it which are positive and negative. Unfortunately we do not have politicians that are honest enough to accept there are negatives. For the establishment the narrative is that there are only unbridled positives. This is not reconciling with the lived experience of the public, and politicians and institutions that ignore that position are responsible for building the up pressure in those areas which are most pent up about how factors connected to “immigration” is affecting their lives.

For example, the housing of illegal in migrants in hotels is madness, and toxic, one near me had protests when announced, not just about the illegals, but about all the staff being laid off as the home office supply contractors. No one cared about them, and they were working class of all hues.

Starmer has lumped anyone and everyone that has concerns about immigration into the far right bucket, that’s simply not true.
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Not everyone with concerns about immigration is in the far right bracket. Nor did Starmer say that.

However, do you not consider yourself, a constant purveyor of thinly-veiled racism, to be in the far right bracket?
 


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cunning fergus said:
Starmer has lumped anyone and everyone that has concerns about immigration into the far right bucket, that’s simply not true.
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being anti-immigration is right wing - it just is, that's a definition. having a protest against immigration, descending quickly into violence against police or other targets is extreme or "far" from the middle ground of politics. if you want to stop the label far right being attributed to those concerned about immigration, call out against the mob that turn it violent.
 


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Herr Tubthumper said:
"Lucy Connolly, from Northampton, wrote: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b******* for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it.”

“The childminder has since apologised, and said she had acted on “false and malicious” information.”

So it would have been okay if the information was true?
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I think the words "for all I care" may (very luckily for her) saved her from a much more serious charge of inciting riot
 


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beorhthelm said:
being anti-immigration is right wing - it just is, that's a definition. having a protest against immigration, descending quickly into violence against police or other targets is extreme or "far" from the middle ground of politics. if you want to stop the label far right being attributed to those concerned about immigration, call out against the mob that turn it violent.
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100%. No one that goes on these "demonstrations", having seen events unfold elsewhere, can complain that people have got the wrong idea about their political views.
 




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Herr Tubthumper said:
"Lucy Connolly, from Northampton, wrote: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b******* for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it.”

“The childminder has since apologised, and said she had acted on “false and malicious” information.”

So it would have been okay if the information was true?
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Exactly. It is a ridiculous defence. She is essentially saying “it it was a Muslim then it would have been okay to say burn them all”
 




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