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[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places
- Thread starter Wrong-Direction
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I'm curious as to what you mean by that? Should we be 'nice to racists'?
I utterly condemn the rioting, but to keep tarring so many people with the same extreme language does nothing to stop it.
I'm tarring the racist thugs who were responsible.
(Remainer here) the immigration floodgates were opened as ONS figures show, the numbers are huge. Personally I welcomed the hard working eastern Europeans and still do. But little infrastructure was built to adjust in terms of huge programmes of housing, schools, additional hospital capacity, GP’s, transport.
It was very laissez faire, very British with no top down planning.
Given there is a massive issue with knife crime currently, you would think most people would
Want to help in stopping it?
As I said it depends on how the officers approach the situation.
Something needs to be done and stop and search is unfortunately the easiest option we have at the moment to hand.
No.
But not everybody who questions mass immigration is a racist. Whether Harry meant that or not, it is an overused term by many.
Of course normal folk would want it stopped, but were you suggesting that certain minorities being specifically targeted should accept it, more than you or I?
Pevenseagull
meh
- Jul 20, 2003
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Indeed
We should try and and understand why they feel that their actions are the appropriate response to things that they perceive to be a threat to them.
Empathy. Try to get in the head of someone who decided that their best response to a white nurse murdering infants in the neonatal ward at Chester Hospital was get some cheap nosebag and a tray of Stella and try to set fire to a Mosque 200 miles away from where they live.
Oh hang on......
It wasn't really about children was it?
I guess it depends on the level of 'questioning'.
The main victims slain or deliberately maimed in a very particular way are black kids. I’ve heard their parents interviewed where they welcome more police intervention. Imho stop n search in dangerous areas should be expanded, but ensuring all creeds are affected. 32% result in a police action for a crime, it works.
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 17,910
Totally agree with this post. Large numbers and declining services are always a recipe for disaster.
This is why the fact that austerity hardly be in mentioned in the debate is a problem and a contributing factor to the high number of immigrants being blamed for people's problems.
If that was the way it worked, that's fine.
Poverty’s linked to crime.
But I’ll wait a little to see the occupation of those charged in Southport, Whitehall, Hartlepool and Sunderland. It might reveal people in trades, jobs or professions. Often it’s a surprise to see who’s been charged.
Keir Starmer really did not read a lot of the room when he delivered that press conference after the Southport riots. Has he forgotten already that Reform nationwide received the third highest percentage of votes at the GE? I agree with above posts this has been an undercurrent for years, waiting to erupt. His dismissal of much of the British public, from ‘far right simpletons’ to the more educated with far right views. He effectively, in my opinion, labelled anyone right of centre a thug, amongst other names.
That press conference was bordering incompetence and has added so much fuel to the fire it’s untrue. The Home Secretary isn’t helping matters with her social media posts either. The riots are more about the two tier approach to policing and general politics than they are about the poor young girls being murdered imo. That was just the straw that broke the camels back. Would the further riots since Southport, such as Sunderland tonight and several planned this weekend now, have gone ahead without his reactionary comments since? I’m not sure they would have.
That press conference was bordering incompetence and has added so much fuel to the fire it’s untrue. The Home Secretary isn’t helping matters with her social media posts either. The riots are more about the two tier approach to policing and general politics than they are about the poor young girls being murdered imo. That was just the straw that broke the camels back. Would the further riots since Southport, such as Sunderland tonight and several planned this weekend now, have gone ahead without his reactionary comments since? I’m not sure they would have.
Pure speculation on my part, but I think there'll be very little poverty/hardship among those charged.
- Oct 20, 2022
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I know you are joking but it could head that way.
There is a really highly charged atmosphere in the Country that is getting more febrile by at the moment, with much of that being expressed one way or another on social media/chat forums. Some of the posts on this thread are treading very close to an apologist POV of the rioting imo ie ‘well, putting into context” and “what should we expect given the level of immigration?”. I find that a WU frankly given how obviously upset the majority of posters are at witnessing this happening in our Country.
Imo, this isn’t the time for political point scoring over Brexit by the Leavers (or the Remainers) or to talk about the ‘problem’ of immigration. It is the time to talk about dealing with the criminal behaviour of those terrorising vulnerable people in our neighbourhoods with rioting and Right Wing extremist ideology and it’s the time to call them out - especially those manipulating and inciting disenfranchised and gullible people into action. No excuses. No apologist theorising. No political grandstanding. Just common decency that utterly condemns this behaviour without reservation.
That’s 4 posts I’ve made on this unpleasant thread and I’ve had enough - I‘ll bow out now, thanks.
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BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 17,910
I agree, in a similar vain I ofter wonder which people are passionagely opposed to immigration. UKIP/Reform never ssem to gain seats in areas with high immigration (happy to be corrected on that).
Especially the Whitehall lot. Those “unemployed” will be hypocritical tax dodgers.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,838
sorry, are you saying we shouldn't tar those rioting with bad names
we should celebrate them or...?
