Lenny Rider
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- Sep 15, 2010
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Is RFK Jnr no longer a Democrat?
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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris
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StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
Independent for the past while.
From the outside, they seem pretty good at getting behind the leader, it was only the last couple of weeks we saw cracks in biden support.
I hope so
Lenny Rider
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- Sep 15, 2010
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But could they still have time to entice him back?
Trump vs Kennedy would be pure box office.
StonehamPark
#Brighton-Nil
I believe so, however, I don’t imagine he’d want to.
I’d guess that after seeing the news today, he’d believe his chances have risen exponentially.
Though personally, I just can’t see enough Americans voting for an independent as they’re so fixated on Red team Vs Blue team.
But I’m totally with you, I’d love to have watched debates between them for my own selfish entertainment.
- Oct 20, 2022
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Their argument is that the Party selected Biden and he had the support of the Primary delegates which is what some are saying (as are Republicans funnily enough!) but I think every single Democrat will have the objective of beating Trump - It’s only a minority that have not been calling for Biden to pull out - Democratic voters have been saying overwhelmingly for weeks that he shouldn’t be running.
The problem is this though : The 2024 election will be decided by 4 or 5 swing States (Michigan where Trump leads by 7% in some polls is one of them) so the minority voices matter - the marginals are very close with Biden winning in 2020 by a few thousand votes in some of those swing States. The choice of Democratic candidate going forward (ie Harris or someone else) could still swing votes towards or against the Dems.
In a country with that many inhabitants how the hell are there no better candidates than Nazi Guy and Senile Guy?
Whoever replaces Biden literally cannot be worse, and yet it seems that will only increase the orange bungle****’s lead.
It’s thoroughly depressing. Hopefully Starmer can spend five years getting us closer to some normal people.
Whoever replaces Biden literally cannot be worse, and yet it seems that will only increase the orange bungle****’s lead.
It’s thoroughly depressing. Hopefully Starmer can spend five years getting us closer to some normal people.
A younger white heterosexual man would be better - anything else (woman, gay, black/brown) Trump would hoover up the votes of every non-woke American.
................and there's MILLIONS of them!
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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I think America deserves a bit better than being run by members of the same family. It's one of the reasons Trump as a political outsider is so popular.
nicko31
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America a whole ain't very progressive. Only a younger white heterosexual man can beat the fash...
Good to see you back posting this evening, i was a little worried about you if truth be told, for you to be off here for two days was a little concerning
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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Thinking a bit more on this.... it could be a masterstroke. If the Obama's get behind KH and actively campaign for her Barack and Michelle could make Trump start to haemorrhage BAME voters. It becomes a choice between a bitter and hateful old man or the future of the USA.
Exactly.
Soton Seagull
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Harris is likely perfectly competent but the narrative is against her. Sadly America isn't ready for a black woman president.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Being capable of beating Trump is surely the only game in town.
Nothing else matters does it?
Nothing else matters does it?
Trump might haemorrhage some BAME voters, but would also hoover up every non-woke voter. In that scenario, Trump wins hands down.
- Oct 12, 2022
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I can tell we’re not in full agreement on this one, but one of the reasons I’m not sure this is a done deal is the following: (short essay follows - apologies if TL and therefore DR)
The American news cycle is very tightly tailored to the attention span of the average member of the public. It seems almost daft to ask this now, but I wonder “Did Donald Trump get shot at too early in the campaign?”
*If* what follows later in the campaign is Donald Trump looking a bit old, orange and wobbly, while Kamala Harris looks confident and performs well, then we could see the Biden scenario (which the Republicans weaponised effectively) in reverse.
Suddenly America realises that there is still a doddery old candidate up there, but it isn’t the Democrat one, and the Republicans have made a REALLY big deal about linking age and fitness for high office.
I think Trump is a wily enough operator to navigate this and not just go through the remaining campaign saying “I was shot at you know” but I wouldn’t say we could call Biden dropping out a positive for Trump, a man who would hit 80 halfway through his term if he won.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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Will these non-woke voters know what a pencil and an X is though and, are they registered to vote ?Trump might haemorrhage some BAME voters, but would also hoover up every non-woke voter. In that scenario, Trump wins hands down.