boik
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Erm, you're not very good at this debating lark are you?
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[Politics] The Labour Government
- Thread starter Super Steve Earle
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Not sure you’ve quite understood how burden of proof works, chief
That poster has blocked me (and it seems a few other for not agreeing with him).
If someone thinks that payments from donors doesn't influence policy they are being politically naive (that's being polite).
Lammy has substantial received donations from two Israeli lobbyists - Gary Lubner and Trevor Chinn (all on parliamentary record).
Labour MPs have accepted over £280,000 from Israel lobby
Twenty percent of Labour’s sitting MPs have been funded by pro-Israel groups or individuals – including 15 who have been directly funded by the Israeli state.
www.declassifieduk.org
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Don't be stupid. If Labour/Lammy has not taken money from Bibi how can I prove a negative? It is up to you to prove the claim, or it's a slur.
You are a being an arse. Now prove you're not.
aolstudios
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& likely the tiniest brain on this forum.
With a particular, sinister obsession
Worried Man Blues
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Does anyone else see this as odd? I understand it's an easy target but going for people that are actually working seems the wrong place to start.
Nail bars and car washes will be targeted by immigration officers as they step up enforcement action over the summer, the Home Secretary has announced.
Yvette Cooper said 1,000 civil servants had been redeployed from working on the now-abandoned Rwanda scheme to staffing a new “returns and enforcement programme”.
The new programme is intended to “increase returns of those with no right to be here and to make sure rules are respected and enforced” and will see raids on businesses suspected of employing illegal workers ramped up.
Nail bars and car washes will be targeted by immigration officers as they step up enforcement action over the summer, the Home Secretary has announced.
Yvette Cooper said 1,000 civil servants had been redeployed from working on the now-abandoned Rwanda scheme to staffing a new “returns and enforcement programme”.
The new programme is intended to “increase returns of those with no right to be here and to make sure rules are respected and enforced” and will see raids on businesses suspected of employing illegal workers ramped up.
armchairclubber
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That poster has blocked me (and it seems a few other for not agreeing with him).
If someone thinks that payments from donors doesn't influence policy they are being politically naive (that's being polite).
Lammy has substantial received donations from two Israeli lobbyists - Gary Lubner and Trevor Chinn (all on parliamentary record).
Labour MPs have accepted over £280,000 from Israel lobby
Twenty percent of Labour’s sitting MPs have been funded by pro-Israel groups or individuals – including 15 who have been directly funded by the Israeli state.
Absolutely and thankyou Borat. It's difficult to have reasoned debate with those who choose to ignore the facts.
That's not how things work in a Court of Law either, so far as I'm aware. The Judge wouldnt normally allow mockery and slander to be thrown by trolls and the ignorant when evidence is provided.
- Oct 12, 2022
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What this tells me is that senior immigration officials have recently watched Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.
Yes it does seem strange to be targeting working environments such as these where perhaps there’s only a small minority of these businesses that will be paying workers cash or indeed be involved in modern slavery.
- Jan 3, 2012
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Because the last government didn’t really have a clue about what was going on anywhere, feeling it needed to seem strong over fairly minimal problems patronisingly possibly feeling this is what they needed to do to retain the support of red wall voters.
whatever people might think about Sir Keir packing his benches with anti-semites, Zionists, supporters of Hamas, militant Israelis and goodness knows what (make up your minds!), I tend to think that anybody appointed has been appointed because they are good at something or an expert on something. I seem to remember the new attorney general is a Jew, but he is also a top-notch lawyer and barrister - a human rights lawyer - which probably means he is sensible, fair and balanced, or perhaps that should read woke!
despite the Tory protests that Labour “had no plan”, they have hit the ground running and addressed several major issues urgently, appointing well respected experts on issues such as prisons, education, justice, finance. Stephen Timms, who has been vociferous about the “carers” stuff for ages, being given some responsibity in that area because he understands the issue!
Clearly things might go wrong, but they are certainly trying
Worried Man Blues
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There's got to be loads doing SFA in hotels and what not, leave someone who has the whatsits to actually do some work!
Not really. But it isn't a hill of beans.
The car wash at Herne Bay has been employing Eastern Europeans for years. Recently I called out a gutter cleaning company. The whole lot turned out to be Arabs of some sort. When you see mono-ethnic casual labour it is a bit of a red flag...
Given that theses small groups clearly did not come over here on a chartered flight with hundreds of others to service the strategically important car wash and gutter cleaning industries (unlike those here who are collecting the fruit, living in prefabs on the fields and being bussed to the supermarket every Friday) well, the odds are unlikely that they have a special visa.
Incidentally the clearly legal farm staff are good as gold. No criminality.
I assume there are no street fights because the local lardy yoof are in doors playing computer games and surfing for porn. You never see Brit yoof on the street here anymore.
Anyway....Labour are damned if they do and damned if the don't as far as some are concerned. The propaganda whinge is seemingly incessant <sigh>
(This 'initiative' is so not important....but I guess it is a virtue signal to the pitch-fork brigade. Not sure why Labour is bothering attempting to appeal to sorts who will always hate Labour, but anyway.)
You haven't provided any evidence, you complete arse. I'm putting you and your silly anti-Labour propaganda bollocks on ignore. If you want to liberate Palestine you need allies. You might get some on the left (where I am) but if you carry on appealing to the anti-Jew nutters, your hopes and dreams will be forever dashed.
This.
- Mar 1, 2021
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Nail bars are notorious as places where modern slavery occurs. It would be good if the Home Office target the rogue employers and facilitators and not just the workers.
Worried Man Blues
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How do you tell the difference between slavery and people wanting to earn a living?
armchairclubber
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Excellent.
I didn't even have to ask you this time, finally.
I will continue to suffer your ignorance unfortunately, though at least you won't be quoting me in future.
Not to worry, I'm sure you'll find plenty of support for your blinkered and insulting viewpoints on here and find many allies. Starmers Labour has an extremely broad variety of supporters after all and you'll not go wanting for any attention or agreement that you personally seek on this thread, as others have proven.
Not a problem, I'm sure we're both happy with your decision. Bye.
Do you think that many of these folk you talk of who want to work are paid paye or do you think it’s a bit of cash in hand?
Worried Man Blues
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I am sure cash in hand but at least they are trying to do something not just take what's on offer. I would prefer we targeted people who are doing nothing,