[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

rogersix · Jul 13, 2024

WATFORD zero said:
Apart from the assault and prison sentence, he was either a high flying businessman working for outfits like Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers while still a student at Sussex University or somebody has been telling porkies. I suspect there's currently a lot of furious editing on his various profiles

ooop! obviously it won't change one mind

Eric the meek · Jul 13, 2024

WATFORD zero said:
Apart from the assault and prison sentence, he was either a high flying businessman working for outfits like Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers while still a student at Sussex University or somebody has been telling porkies. I suspect there's currently a lot of furious editing on his various profiles

Falsifying your CV to get a job is fraud I believe. The ramifications of this may not be limited just to getting elected as a racist.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jul 13, 2024

Eric the meek said:
Falsifying your CV to get a job is fraud I believe. The ramifications of this may not be limited just to getting elected as a racist.

From Wiki:

Eric the meek · Jul 13, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
From Wiki:

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You might be laughing even louder if you clicked on the [5] which links to this:

Failed Firms and CV Boasts – Little-Known New Reform UK MP’s Past Comes Under Scrutiny

Is James McMurdock a business super-star, or has he embellished his CV?

bylinetimes.com

(Yes, it's the bylinetimes again!)

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jul 13, 2024

Eric the meek said:
You might be laughing even louder if you clicked on the [5] which links to this:

Failed Firms and CV Boasts – Little-Known New Reform UK MP’s Past Comes Under Scrutiny

Is James McMurdock a business super-star, or has he embellished his CV?

bylinetimes.com

(Yes, it's the bylinetimes again!)

What an absolute wrong 'un.

And a very punchable face.

Eric the meek · Jul 13, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
What an absolute wrong 'un.

And a very punchable face.

Labour have already warned Reform that they will be coming under the Parliamentary Scrutiny that they didn't experience before they were elected.

McMurdock will presumably figure in that scrutiny. It is not known if a punch in the face is included in the sanctions available to the committee.

abc · Jul 13, 2024

Eric the meek said:
Falsifying your CV to get a job is fraud I believe..

I wish that was the case. We had a member of staff that was sacked essentially for incompetence in their role as a book keeper. She won her unfair dismissal claim despite the fact that it was proved she had lied about her qualifications in her CV and at interview. The tribunal ruled it was the company’s fault for not checking her claims properly. She won a considerable sum.

abc · Jul 13, 2024

The future of reform depends on both the Tories and Labour. If Labour can prove to be a competent government and reduce the deep anger in many of our communities and in many people, and if the Tories can move back to the centre right and offer a credible alternative to Labour, then Reform will be squeezed out. Reform need the oxygen of political failure to thrive which is why they are currently thriving.

Eric the meek · Jul 13, 2024

abc said:
I wish that was the case. We had a member of staff that was sacked essentially for incompetence in their role as a book keeper. She won her unfair dismissal claim despite the fact that it was proved she had lied about her qualifications in her CV and at interview. The tribunal ruled it was the company’s fault for not checking her claims properly. She won a considerable sum.

I suspect that on many occasions the culprit gets away with it. I know of one such case, in rather a higher-powered role than book keeper.

My brother-in-law was in a relationship with the Director of his local chamber of commerce. One day, he came across her CV. She had falsified her degree, and had assumed the degree achieved by her brother. Evidently, nobody in the chamber of commerce checked her background. They just took her word for it. There were other falsehoods on her CV. As far as I know, she is still in the role.

Thunder Bolt · Jul 13, 2024

abc said:
I wish that was the case. We had a member of staff that was sacked essentially for incompetence in their role as a book keeper. She won her unfair dismissal claim despite the fact that it was proved she had lied about her qualifications in her CV and at interview. The tribunal ruled it was the company’s fault for not checking her claims properly. She won a considerable sum.

Yet the Chief Constable of Northamptonshire was dismissed for gross misconduct for wearing a Falklands Medal & pretending to have been a Naval officer, when he really was only 15 in 1982, and served just two years as an Able seaman.

Chief constable dismissed for military service lies and wearing fake Falklands medal

Nick Adderley, of Northamptonshire Police, committed gross misconduct, having built a naval legend around himself that wasn't true.

www.forces.net

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jul 13, 2024

Eric the meek said:
It's absolute rubbish, isn't it? You expect people to behave in a decent manner, and they do this.

What do you do to lessen the chance of these crimes? A change in the law? More responsibility and accountability for HR depts to filter out the chancers?
Stiffer penalties for fraud?

I'm doing the best I can in my research are to engage with journals and organizations to set standards that make it harder for people to publish fake data. The amount of pushback I get is staggering. Luckily I know what I'm talking about and don't stand for bullshit. A person I have known for 40 years who works in industry is pushing to get research journals to publish non randomized non blinded animal research 'because that's how we do it in industry'. My polite reply is 'well maybe that explain why you lot can't discover new drugs'. It is extraordinary how one-eyed people can get when they have a vested interest.

Would you mind deleting your reply (that I am replying to here) because I feel I may have included too much detail in the original (that I have deleted). If you can. Not a biggie. The conversation trail is still apparent for those who are interested.

Eric the meek · Jul 13, 2024

Zeberdi said:
It would be a start to do better screening and more thorough background checks for people who are applying to serve in public life but also raise minimum standards. Our apparent tolerance for flaky morality in the West also has an impact. You have to wonder why for example, a convicted felon who is a narcissistic, misogynist is ahead of the polls to become the next ‘leader of the free world’?

Oooh, that's a good observation, that goes right between the eyes.

Only today, I was thinking that we are becoming a nation of aggressive, inconsiderate, hateful chavs. You can see manifestations of it on this very thread.

Eric the meek · Jul 13, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
I'm doing the best I can in my research are to engage with journals and organizations to set standards that make it harder for people to publish fake data. The amount of pushback I get is staggering. Luckily I know what I'm talking about and don't stand for bullshit. A person I have known for 40 years who works in industry is pushing to get research journals to publish non randomized non blinded animal research 'because that's how we do it in industry'. My polite reply is 'well maybe that explain why you lot can't discover new drugs'. It is extraordinary how one-eyed people can get when they have a vested interest.

Would you mind deleting your reply (that I am replying to here) because I feel I may have included too much detail in the original (that I have deleted). If you can. Not a biggie. The conversation trail is still apparent for those who are interested.

Done.

cunning fergus · Jul 14, 2024

Zeberdi said:
I wasn’t questioning the fact Sunak left early nor that wasn’t a bad PR moment for the ex-PM - he did and it was. However , read again what he actually said (with none of the proviso or justifications you are now excusing his comment with ). To quote Farage’s comments again - he said

*”(I)f [Rishi Sunak’s] instinct was the same as the British people’s he would never have contemplated for a moment not being there for the big international ceremony. He’s utterly disconnected in every way”

Rishi Sunak was born in Southampton. He IS British. Yet accusing him of not understanding the culture like the “British people” and being “disconnected in every way” is a poorly veiled dog-whistling reference to his ethnicity and suggests people of colour are not part of British culture or society.

Labour's shadow justice secretary Shabana Mahmood said at the time: "I think this is a classic Nigel Farage trick, lean just enough to signal a bit of a dog whistle and then lean straight back and sound perfectly reasonable and say something good about the contribution that Commonwealth soldiers, ethnic minorities made towards the war effort.”

But unsurprising, a reference you went out of your way to mention which was entirely irrelevant to the facts. Even providing a convenient link for people that did not know that.

You’re not making any sense on Sunak, if he is as connected to British culture “in every way” as you infer then he wouldn’t have left the D Day commemoration early. But he did, and it was politically damaging for him, without doubt.

The truth isn’t as you want, being British isn’t mono cultural any more, at the moment neither the young nor the newer citizens care as deeply about this country’s past as their forebears. There is nothing intrinsically wrong about that, it is a standard generational shift.

At this point the WW2 generation is dying out, for the first time in my lifetime there will be no living connection to that event and any WW2 commemorations will move into a different paradigm. Sunak and his advisors are in some ways ahead of the curve and it’s that combination of being a younger generation and having no tangible connection to DDay that influenced Sunak’s decision to leave early.

That said, it is also true that there is still a very sizeable cohort of the electorate that do care deeply about this country’s history and don’t expect to see the sacrifice that familial forebears made in fighting in world wars taken for granted, ergo Sunak’s ratings plummeted.

The point about providing a link re Sunak’s anti British Grandad is only reinforcing 2 points, a) he moved to the UK in the 60s despite his evident resentment of the British Empire, no doubt, like millions of new arrivals he didn’t consider himself British despite moving here and b) Farage didn’t reference it, he could have done to further his attack.

cunning fergus · Jul 14, 2024

Zeberdi said:
Not everyone has a television or uses a device to watch the BBC or live tv . I don’t and haven’t done for over 20 years so although I appreciate I’m in a minority why should I fund other people’s entertainment? I am quite happy to access the news online from other media sources and pay a Netflix and Amazon subscription for streaming other stuff.

More importantly- If the BBC ( or any other PBS company ) is funded through taxation, you are talking about turning the BBC into a State funded/controlled TV news station which is highly undesirable in a liberal democracy.

The licence fee is really not much different to a form of subscription in that you have to pay a fee to use the service - if the BBC rebranded itself as a subscription service, perhaps that might be more palatable for those complaining about the annual licence fee cost.

I don’t know anyone in my family that pays it. All the olds refused to pay it after the BBC changed its policy on over 65s (or whatever the age was). If you tell the BBC you don’t have a TV I don’t think they send Capita round. They’ve not been here since I did that…….and that was 4 years ago.

If you want it to be subscription it kinda is.

cunning fergus · Jul 14, 2024

Zeberdi said:
Is speaking out against groups that engender racism and discrimination a “political slant”?

I thought it was just being a human being, respectful of other people’s differences and culture.

Making lists against teachers doing this, stinks of the sort of blacklisting we saw in the McCarthy era and the anti-evolution, anti-vaxxer movements against schools in America by far right groups.

It may have passed you by but the most recent significant case of harassment for teaching staff was up in Batley. A teacher and his family has to move and set up a new life under a new identity. You, and the other Reform Party dampers on here really need to drink that in.

One of the stories not explored that deeply by the media as far as I can tell post election was the rise of independents in long standing Labour seats. In many seats, Batley included, the Labour candidate was outed for a new “independent” MP. Not that the previous incumbent MP did much for the teacher in her constituency. The new one I suspect will do less.

It was only a couple of months ago John Ashworth was on QT saying how the good burghers of Leicester were United and not divided, and how proud he was to serve them…………….unfortunately for him he wasn’t reading the (prayer) room.

kevo · Jul 14, 2024

Eric the meek said:
McMurdock will presumably figure in that scrutiny. It is not known if a punch in the face is included in the sanctions available to the committee.

Shame, as he is already quite familiar with punches:

WATFORD zero · Jul 14, 2024

And again, as with so many things in his life and 'career' there seem to be two dissimilar versions

His

“Nearly 20 years ago, at 19 years of age, at the end of a night out together, we argued and I pushed her – she fell over and she was hurt. Despite being 38 now and having lived a whole life again I still feel deeply ashamed of that moment and apologetic. Despite us both being very drunk, I handed myself into the police immediately and admitted my fault,” he added.

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/24450622.south-basildon-mp-james-mcmurdock-assault-conviction/

And the victims/witnesses

But now it has emerged that the merchant banker from Essex has a violent past that left a former girlfriend with both injuries and lasting mental scars. The attack was brought to a halt by two doorman who pulled him off and called the police. At first he denied the assault – forcing his victim and witnesses to give statements to the police – before eventually admitting the offence as he was about to go on trial at Chelmsford Crown Court.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...er-slams-monster-not-representing-people.html

Well who'd have thought :shrug:

kevo · Jul 14, 2024

Would love some of the Reform voters on here to come on and try and defend this bloke.

Eeyore · Jul 14, 2024

I see Nigel is off to USA to see Donald next week.

Does that count as unpaid leave and will the tax payer have to fund it ?

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