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[Politics] The NSC 'up all night' election night *** OFFICIAL MATCH THREAD ***



Eeyore

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Bozza said:
Just scanning some results and I see all furore around Faiza Shaheen's deselection in Chingford and Woodford Green almost certainly kept IDS in a job...

IDS (Con) - 17,281
Shama Tatler (Lab) - 12,524
Faiza Shaheen (Ind) - 12,445

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Yes, IDS naturally wouldn't acknowledge this when interviewed by Auntie.

I haven't seen Mrs Beaker's speech after the Labour lettuce won her seat. But I'm sure it will be full of magnanimous contrition. Or not.
 






Bry Nylon

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Starmer isn't like that. He isn't like Blair either. I have a feeling he will be more popular in 5 years time than he is now, though.
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Weirdly, I believe Sir Kier will be a far, far better PM than he was Leader of the Opposition. I think he is a thoroughly decent and principled bloke, who is genuinely in politics for reasons of public service. The serious business of being PM will suit him far better than being LoHMO and I wish him well.
 


Bozza

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
The one today. He has nothing to gain by not being ****ish. He could easily have snarled blame about the steal. I think he made a mistake, previously, denigrating what is obviously an honourable opponent.

People asking why Labour got only 35% and people are unimpressed with Starmer. It is because the people have been trained to expect a circus with clowns and hubris, Get Brexit Done. Etc.. Starmer isn't like that. He isn't like Blair either. I have a feeling he will be more popular in 5 years time than he is now, though.
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It largely depends on who the Tories put up next, although there's no guarantee whoever succeeds Sunak will make it all the way to the next General Election.

One of last night's pundits suggested that we have become increasingly presidential with our politics, allowing those with big personalities (not a euphemism) to come to the fore.

It's difficult to see that someone like Jeremy Hunt - generally calm, measured and, politics aside, quite Starmer like in the way he goes about his business - would make much of a dent if Starmer has a good (first) term in office.
 


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jackalbion said:
Everyone involved in this, Labour, The Independent is a complete idiot. They shouldn't have deselected her, but then she shouldn't have run. Poor decision making.
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It doesn't matter. Labour did the right thing. She was obsessed with Gaza, and her performance on Newsnight a few years ago, when she felt emboldened, was embarrassing.
 






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Bry Nylon said:
Weirdly, I believe Sir Kier will be a far, far better PM than he was Leader of the Opposition. I think he is a thoroughly decent and principled bloke, who is genuinely in politics for reasons of public service. The serious business of being PM will suit him far better than being LoHMO and I wish him well.
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You’ve been listening to Alastair Campbell. He’s said that on repeat since 10pm to just a moment ago.
 






vegster

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
The one today. He has nothing to gain by not being ****ish. He could easily have snarled blame about the steal. I think he made a mistake, previously, denigrating what is obviously an honourable opponent.

People asking why Labour got only 35% and people are unimpressed with Starmer. It is because the people have been trained to expect a circus with clowns and hubris, Get Brexit Done. Etc.. Starmer isn't like that. He isn't like Blair either. I have a feeling he will be more popular in 5 years time than he is now, though.
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Yes, it's all about the next 5 years. If he can rebuild at least some of the country and give hope he will win again.
 


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Bozza said:
It largely depends on who the Tories put up next, although there's no guarantee whoever succeeds Sunak will make it all the way to the next General Election.

One of last night's pundits suggested that we have become increasingly presidential with our politics, allowing those with big personalities (not a euphemism) to come to the fore.

It's difficult to see that someone like Jeremy Hunt - generally calm, measured and, politics aside, quite Starmer like in the way he goes about his business - would make much of a dent if Starmer has a good (first) term in office.
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Indeed. I am concerned the electorate wants the moon on a stick and will rush back to the Tories if they don't get it immediately, but this may depend on what sort of leader the Tories elect. I suspect it may be best for the Tories (and the nation) if they elect a humble leader who won't behave like Farage (a prat) in opposition, promising the moon on a stick. It would be nice to move on from all that.

The Tory-run nation has been a bit like ManUre or Chelsea, with an entitled fanbase and owners that changes the manager every few months. The Tories need a Tony Bloom type in charge, with a long term plan.

I genuinely have no idea what will transpire.
 


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So who do we think is going to put their name in the hat for Tory leader? Most of these won't, but just scanning the remaining names that I recognise and a rough likelihood:

Esther McVey? (maybe)
David Davis? (doubt it)
Robert Jenrick? (he shouldn't, but he's thick enough to try)
Victoria Atkins (has been mooted)
Oliver Dowden? (he shouldn't, but he's thick enough to try)
Steve Barclay? (no idea)
Iain Duncan Smith? (doubt it)
Kemi Badenoch (she will try)
James Cleverly (expect he'll try)
Priti Patel (50-50)
Chris Philp? (doubt it)
Claire Coutinho? (no idea)
Tom Tugendhat (he'll try)
Kit Malthouse? (no idea)
Jeremy Hunt? (will he go again? more likely than not I think)
Suella Braverman (she will)
Mel Stride? (doubt it)
 




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NorthstandRacoon said:
I don’t watch her enough, so, fair enough.
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And I may be wrong......others have been reporting obvious bias. Political journalism appears to be a funny old game :wink:
 


Eeyore

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Just noticed how Labour won a landslide majority with less votes than the last election.

So the first lie you here will be how the people have spoken. When the people spoke to 66% voted for other parties.

Starmer is in Downing Street by default.
 


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Audax said:
So who do we think is going to put their name in the hat for Tory leader? Most of these won't, but just scanning the remaining names that I recognise and a rough likelihood:

Esther McVey? (maybe)
David Davis? (doubt it)
Robert Jenrick? (he shouldn't, but he's thick enough to try)
Victoria Atkins (has been mooted)
Oliver Dowden? (he shouldn't, but he's thick enough to try)
Steve Barclay? (no idea)
Iain Duncan Smith? (doubt it)
Kemi Badenoch (she will try)
James Cleverly (expect he'll try)
Priti Patel (50-50)
Chris Philp? (doubt it)
Claire Coutinho? (no idea)
Tom Tugendhat (he'll try)
Kit Malthouse? (no idea)
Jeremy Hunt? (will he go again? more likely than not I think)
Suella Braverman (she will)
Mel Stride? (doubt it)
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f***ing Hell. Reads like the Port Vale squad. Cloggers, journeymen, light-weight forwards, and a couple of raving nutters.
 






nicko31

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Audax said:
So who do we think is going to put their name in the hat for Tory leader? Most of these won't, but just scanning the remaining names that I recognise and a rough likelihood:

Esther McVey? (maybe)
David Davis? (doubt it)
Robert Jenrick? (he shouldn't, but he's thick enough to try)
Victoria Atkins (has been mooted)
Oliver Dowden? (he shouldn't, but he's thick enough to try)
Steve Barclay? (no idea)
Iain Duncan Smith? (doubt it)
Kemi Badenoch (she will try)
James Cleverly (expect he'll try)
Priti Patel (50-50)
Chris Philp? (doubt it)
Claire Coutinho? (no idea)
Tom Tugendhat (he'll try)
Kit Malthouse? (no idea)
Jeremy Hunt? (will he go again? more likely than not I think)
Suella Braverman (she will)
Mel Stride? (doubt it)
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They'll end up with one of the "she will" squad
 


Eeyore

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Audax said:
So who do we think is going to put their name in the hat for Tory leader? Most of these won't, but just scanning the remaining names that I recognise and a rough likelihood:

Esther McVey? (maybe)
David Davis? (doubt it)
Robert Jenrick? (he shouldn't, but he's thick enough to try)
Victoria Atkins (has been mooted)
Oliver Dowden? (he shouldn't, but he's thick enough to try)
Steve Barclay? (no idea)
Iain Duncan Smith? (doubt it)
Kemi Badenoch (she will try)
James Cleverly (expect he'll try)
Priti Patel (50-50)
Chris Philp? (doubt it)
Claire Coutinho? (no idea)
Tom Tugendhat (he'll try)
Kit Malthouse? (no idea)
Jeremy Hunt? (will he go again? more likely than not I think)
Suella Braverman (she will)
Mel Stride? (doubt it)
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Has to be Cruella Braverman. As I said earlier, her speech last night was so warm and moving that it felt like the White Witch enticing Edmund into her sleigh with turkish delight. I was convinced that at the end she was going to turn everyone to stone.

She's just the sort of hateful person that the Tories need to counter the Reform march
 


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Bry Nylon said:
Weirdly, I believe Sir Kier will be a far, far better PM than he was Leader of the Opposition. I think he is a thoroughly decent and principled bloke, who is genuinely in politics for reasons of public service. The serious business of being PM will suit him far better than being LoHMO and I wish him well.
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I agree. I was celebrating Starmer's dullness as leader of the opposition (to much derision from folk to the left and to the right of me). And I was a bit disappointed to see sensible people moaning about him.

Like everyone I am drawn to charismatic leaders, and remember how I usually laughed at Johnson's jokes and had to actively remind myself what an absolute state the man is every time I saw him. Even during Covid. I don't want to be seduced by charismatic leadership. I want....exactly what I hope (and suspect) Starmer will deliver. Honour, judgement, steadfastness, wisdom, country first, party second (crikey, that was his slogan.....). If it is dull, then, fantastic. :thumbsup:
 






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He's officially gone

The Right Honourable Rishi Sunak MP had an audience of the King this morning and tendered his resignation as prime minister and First Lord of the Treasury, which his majesty was graciously pleased to accept.
 


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