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clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
25,711
Corbyn was correct though. The scale of antisemitism was hugely exaggerated.

Does not make him a good leader but he’s right about that.
It's a bit more nuanced than that in my mind and I've read deeply around the subject.

I'll take onboard that the scale of antisemitism was probably exaggerated in the way that all issues in parties are exaggerated by the press and their opponents.

However (and importantly) Corbyn as an individual gave an indirect green light to it because of his political views and previous statements.

Corbyn may not have been anti-Semitic personally, but it was far easier to be so under his leadership.

There are parallels with Farage in that respect. Corbyn and his supporters really need to own that, they attracted extremism.
 






Weststander

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Aug 25, 2011
67,432
Withdean area
Such heavy wording. Anti Zionist I am but consider Labour support of the UK sending arms to kill Gazans and allow Israel's Far Right Netanhayu to do and kill as he pleases worse than racist.

Whataboutery at its worst.

Racists against Jews in the UK until Starmer purged them, shouldn’t have a jot do with a 2,500 year old conflict on another continent.

I call Brits joking about the Holocaust, questioning the numbers murdered, drawing or thumbs up drawings with Jewish tropes …. all scum. What do call them …. comrades?
 


nevergoagain

Well-known member
Jul 28, 2005
1,387
nowhere near Burgess Hill
Well after that interlude, let's get back to Lambeth council. Forcing tenants to sign NDA's to get money repaid ?, that can't be Labour, a party for the people can it ?

A London council has been forcing residents into silence as a condition of them receiving money owed to them for building work and services they had been overcharged for - in some cases by tens of thousands of pounds.

Lambeth Council was asked by the BBC how many leaseholders it had asked to sign confidentiality clauses or non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) over a period of five years. It said 136 residents had entered into confidentiality agreements.

The Labour-run council has paid out nearly £1.6m in building works refunds to these residents, at an average of more than £11,500 per case. Leaseholders have told the BBC how they were refunded after being charged for shoddy work to their homes - and sometimes for work that never took place at all.

 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Well after that interlude, let's get back to Lambeth council. Forcing tenants to sign NDA's to get money repaid ?, that can't be Labour, a party for the people can it ?

A London council has been forcing residents into silence as a condition of them receiving money owed to them for building work and services they had been overcharged for - in some cases by tens of thousands of pounds.

Lambeth Council was asked by the BBC how many leaseholders it had asked to sign confidentiality clauses or non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) over a period of five years. It said 136 residents had entered into confidentiality agreements.

The Labour-run council has paid out nearly £1.6m in building works refunds to these residents, at an average of more than £11,500 per case. Leaseholders have told the BBC how they were refunded after being charged for shoddy work to their homes - and sometimes for work that never took place at all.

Leaseholders are not tenants. The contractors were unreliable and failed to complete the work in some cases.

We asked the council why it legally prevents people from telling others about their refunds and it said this was "to avoid other leaseholders from using arguments made in separate and unrelated disputes. This enables the council to handle disputes on a case-by-case basis.
 




Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
19,359
Valley of Hangleton
Leaseholders are not tenants. The contractors were unreliable and failed to complete the work in some cases.

We asked the council why it legally prevents people from telling others about their refunds and it said this was "to avoid other leaseholders from using arguments made in separate and unrelated disputes. This enables the council to handle disputes on a case-by-case basis.
Mmm the below from the Leasehold Advisory Service

Leaseholder. A leaseholder is someone who owns a property on a lease, typically for 99, 125 or 999 years. The length of the lease decreases year by year until it eventually runs out. A leaseholder is also called a tenant, but this should not be confused with short-term agreements.

I guess they are technically tenants not necessarily tenants of the council
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Mmm the below from the Leasehold Advisory Service

Leaseholder. A leaseholder is someone who owns a property on a lease, typically for 99, 125 or 999 years. The length of the lease decreases year by year until it eventually runs out. A leaseholder is also called a tenant, but this should not be confused with short-term agreements.

I guess they are technically tenants not necessarily tenants of the council
No, I owned a property ie with a mortgage that was leasehold. Then Kirkless council decided to sell the leases to owners in our road, so the majority of us became freeholders.
My parents in law owned their house all their lives, but it was leasehold and sold as leasehold.

Going back to the article it said Lambeth council did own a small proportion of the properties.
 


WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
27,320
Well after that interlude, let's get back to Lambeth council. Forcing tenants to sign NDA's to get money repaid ?, that can't be Labour, a party for the people can it ?

A London council has been forcing residents into silence as a condition of them receiving money owed to them for building work and services they had been overcharged for - in some cases by tens of thousands of pounds.

Lambeth Council was asked by the BBC how many leaseholders it had asked to sign confidentiality clauses or non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) over a period of five years. It said 136 residents had entered into confidentiality agreements.

The Labour-run council has paid out nearly £1.6m in building works refunds to these residents, at an average of more than £11,500 per case. Leaseholders have told the BBC how they were refunded after being charged for shoddy work to their homes - and sometimes for work that never took place at all.


Your desperation all over this thread is making Sunak's last few weeks campaigning look positively composed :laugh:
 




Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
24,794
Sussex by the Sea
Still no solution? Haven't heard.

Could Labour stop the boats?

Labour has no proposal to remove migrants arriving by unauthorised routes to a “safe third country” - so does Keir Starmer’s plan to deal with “illegal” migration stack up?

Let us imagine a small boat of asylum seeking migrants arrives on the Kent coast next month. Aboard are men, women and children from the countries which typically make up arrivals coming across the channel.

Half of the passengers have come from countries so unstable there is no chance they can be returned: Afghanistan, Iran, Eritrea, Syria, Iraq and Sudan. Almost all come from states with which the UK has no agreement to return those not granted asylum.

Answers on a fag packet.
 


Gabbiano

Well-known member
Dec 18, 2017
1,647
Spank the Manc
Your desperation all over this thread is making Sunak's last few weeks campaigning look positively composed :laugh:
But he only started the thread to "balance out the Tory one!" After all they're all as bad as each other right?

Excuse me while I trawl through the internet to find any possible article on local councils across England which paints Labour in anything but a purely positive light.

As if anyone will change their vote now based on what Lambeth Council have done in management of a council estate.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Well after that interlude, let's get back to Lambeth council. Forcing tenants to sign NDA's to get money repaid ?, that can't be Labour, a party for the people can it ?

A London council has been forcing residents into silence as a condition of them receiving money owed to them for building work and services they had been overcharged for - in some cases by tens of thousands of pounds.

Lambeth Council was asked by the BBC how many leaseholders it had asked to sign confidentiality clauses or non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) over a period of five years. It said 136 residents had entered into confidentiality agreements.

The Labour-run council has paid out nearly £1.6m in building works refunds to these residents, at an average of more than £11,500 per case. Leaseholders have told the BBC how they were refunded after being charged for shoddy work to their homes - and sometimes for work that never took place at all.

Forcing people is a very emotive way of describing legal agreements. Nobody made them accept their compensation.

Now look at it from a legal position. Telling you neighbour how much compensation you received when theirs is slightly different causes resentment, in the same way discussing wages at work, or yearly bonuses.
It‘s standard procedure and there is no suggestion of coercion, which is what you are implying.

It even states 136 residents had entered into confidentiality agreements, so contradicts itself.
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Still no solution? Haven't heard.

Could Labour stop the boats?

Labour has no proposal to remove migrants arriving by unauthorised routes to a “safe third country” - so does Keir Starmer’s plan to deal with “illegal” migration stack up?

Let us imagine a small boat of asylum seeking migrants arrives on the Kent coast next month. Aboard are men, women and children from the countries which typically make up arrivals coming across the channel.

Half of the passengers have come from countries so unstable there is no chance they can be returned: Afghanistan, Iran, Eritrea, Syria, Iraq and Sudan. Almost all come from states with which the UK has no agreement to return those not granted asylum.

Answers on a fag packet.
Blimey, give them a chance to get the keys to the Home Office first.
Thanks to the massive backlog of asylum processing, it will take a while to sort out the queues.
 












carlzeiss

Well-known member
May 19, 2009
6,132
Amazonia
Still no solution? Haven't heard.

Could Labour stop the boats?

Labour has no proposal to remove migrants arriving by unauthorised routes to a “safe third country” - so does Keir Starmer’s plan to deal with “illegal” migration stack up?

Let us imagine a small boat of asylum seeking migrants arrives on the Kent coast next month. Aboard are men, women and children from the countries which typically make up arrivals coming across the channel.

Half of the passengers have come from countries so unstable there is no chance they can be returned: Afghanistan, Iran, Eritrea, Syria, Iraq and Sudan. Almost all come from states with which the UK has no agreement to return those not granted asylum.

Answers on a fag packet.
Why send them back when you can just give them a house and a job in the NHS , problem solved , not rocket science is it ?
 


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